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#1371
Nov 29 2017 07:38am
Quote (thesnipa @ Nov 29 2017 10:48pm)
just another out of touch ignorant poster on NK sadly...

China is but one reason, it's far from the only reason, at all.

ICBM's and other long range nuclear weapons aren't the threat, never have been, ever.

Nukes are one thing, but their soviet era arsenal of missiles pointed directly at Seoull is the real issue, it has been the cause of the mexican standoff since they were first installed. We can likely intercept any single longrange missile shot by Kim, we can't intercept 10,000 missiles launched directly at Seoull simultaneously. Sk knows this, japan knows this, china knows this, Trump and his regime know this, and Kim sure as hell knows this.

You guys get so caught up on nukes that are meant to be a distraction, if Trump takes the bait and goes in to "stop nukes" it will be one of the messiest military engagements of all time, with or without China helping the USA. There are missiles pointed in all directions and they have a massive standing army that has been told we're coming to genocide them. If Trump invades hundreds of thousands of Koreans will die on both sides of the border(and that's an optimistic number), it will be the worst planned military excursion that we've ever seen. The bad PR will make Iraq-Afghanistan look like child's play.

Read a god damn book, you're not usually this ill informed. i'd suggest Michael Malice's book on the subject or one of his many hour plus long lectures.


wat even?

There are two THAADs in Seoul. They specialize in intercepting short and medium-ranged missiles. They actually don't stop ICBMs (what he's been testing). But it's unlikely their ICBMs could reach U.S. territory with a nuclear payload as of yet.

Kim Jong-eun doesn't hate South Korea, actually. Most people on the peninsula would prefer reunification if at all possible.
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Nov 29 2017 07:48am
Quote (CoheedAndCambria @ Nov 29 2017 07:38am)
wat even?

There are two THAADs in Seoul. They specialize in intercepting short and medium-ranged missiles.


https://www.cnbc.com/2017/09/11/south-korea-missile-defense-thaad-system-cant-do-the-job-alone.html

even if the THAAD was in range, is it built to stop a whole arsenal or just a volley? has it even been tested versus what i'm talking about?

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They actually don't stop ICBMs (what he's been testing). But it's unlikely their ICBMs could reach U.S. territory with a nuclear payload as of yet.


just as soon as you can tell me a motive for them to fire an ICBM at the US i'll address this. otherwise you're wasting breaths on hypothetical actions with no motivations, like the rest.

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Kim Jong-eun doesn't hate South Korea, actually. Most people on the peninsula would prefer reunification if at all possible.


I know this, I didn't suggest he'd preemptively attack the South. that's literally my whole point, and i said as much with the "mexican standoff" label. However, should an attack happen it would be staged at least partially from the South. Likely a multi pronged pincer from the South, both side of the ocean, and china.[/QUOTE]

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Nov 29 2017 07:56am
Quote (thesnipa @ Nov 29 2017 07:48am)
just another out of touch ignorant poster on NK sadly...

China is but one reason, it's far from the only reason, at all.

ICBM's and other long range nuclear weapons aren't the threat, never have been, ever.

Nukes are one thing, but their soviet era arsenal of missiles pointed directly at Seoull is the real issue, it has been the cause of the mexican standoff since they were first installed. We can likely intercept any single longrange missile shot by Kim, we can't intercept 10,000 missiles launched directly at Seoull simultaneously. Sk knows this, japan knows this, china knows this, Trump and his regime know this, and Kim sure as hell knows this.

You guys get so caught up on nukes that are meant to be a distraction, if Trump takes the bait and goes in to "stop nukes" it will be one of the messiest military engagements of all time, with or without China helping the USA. There are missiles pointed in all directions and they have a massive standing army that has been told we're coming to genocide them. If Trump invades hundreds of thousands of Koreans will die on both sides of the border(and that's an optimistic number), it will be the worst planned military excursion that we've ever seen. The bad PR will make Iraq-Afghanistan look like child's play.

Read a god damn book, you're not usually this ill informed. i'd suggest Michael Malice's book on the subject or one of his many hour plus long lectures.


The way I understand it is that Seol is not only within rocket range, its within artillery range. The difference maker now is they are actively developing technology that gives them the ability to conduct a long range first strike. Its a game changer in foreign policy especially considering how unstable their government is.

I have no doubt it would be a tough ground fight. The entire population has generations of brainwashing, not just the soldiers. However they have some serious issues with supplies including ammunition and more importantly food/medical supplies. Officers making up the "elite" boarder guard are riddled with parasites as demonstrated by the last defector.

I don't think this war would be a PR disaster at all. I believe the world knows how shitty of a place NK is, at least those that are informed are. The military engagement isn't the scary part, if China doesn't intervene and its an international effort Pyongyang will fall within a week with sporadic engagements as the military is rounded up. The scary part is going to be dealing with a population thats been under so many years of brain washing and such depleted/under developed infrastructure. It would be the greatest civic project of the 21st century and would make rebuilding post WW2 Europe look like installing a traffic light.
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Nov 29 2017 08:04am
Quote (tman65ky @ Nov 29 2017 07:56am)
The way I understand it is that Seol is not only within rocket range, its within artillery range. The difference maker now is they are actively developing technology that gives them the ability to conduct a long range first strike. Its a game changer in foreign policy especially considering how unstable their government is.

I have no doubt it would be a tough ground fight. The entire population has generations of brainwashing, not just the soldiers. However they have some serious issues with supplies including ammunition and more importantly food/medical supplies. Officers making up the "elite" boarder guard are riddled with parasites as demonstrated by the last defector.

I don't think this war would be a PR disaster at all. I believe the world knows how shitty of a place NK is, at least those that are informed are. The military engagement isn't the scary part, if China doesn't intervene and its an international effort Pyongyang will fall within a week with sporadic engagements as the military is rounded up. The scary part is going to be dealing with a population thats been under so many years of brain washing and such depleted/under developed infrastructure. It would be the greatest civic project of the 21st century and would make rebuilding post WW2 Europe look like installing a traffic light.


I just don't understand how reasonable people like you can get stuck on such an obvious contradiction. They haven't attacked the south, yet now that they can attack beyond the south they are a danger. And by all accounts the only thing they'd even "want", if anything other than Autonomous control of NK, is the South. But now the game has changed. :wacko:

So what they want to reach for hasn't changed, they've never made an offensive maneuver in 50+ years, but now that they could, even though they don't want to, they're a danger. By this logic you're a dangerous person every time u carry regardless of your motivations, someone needs to take your gun sir, you're a danger just by having it.

as to the military engagement, it wouldn't take long in time and we have 0% chance of "losing", the PR nightmare would be the million or so corpses.



edit: also please define how the NK govt is unstable, i'm not necessarily disagreeing but it depends on your definition. if you mean seemingly erratic behavior in public videos or missile launches lol.

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Nov 29 2017 08:10am
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Cute words but your actions are inconsistent. If you cared, you would save more than 0.1% of your breath for criticizing him.


I have. I made a topic a couple of years back actually asking what could be done about NK's labour camps. I also just called him 'the head of a monstrous regime' in the post you just quoted. I think that's a much stronger criticism than I've ever levelled in Trump's direction. Trump is just an idiot. Kim is a monster.
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Nov 29 2017 08:14am
Quote (thesnipa @ Nov 29 2017 09:04am)
I just don't understand how reasonable people like you can get stuck on such an obvious contradiction. They haven't attacked the south, yet now that they can attack beyond the south they are a danger. And by all accounts the only thing they'd even "want", if anything other than Autonomous control of NK, is the South. But not the game has changed.

So what they want to reach for hasn't changed, they've never made an offensive maneuver in 50+ years, but not that they could, even though they don't want to, they're a danger. By this logic you're a dangerous person every time u carry regardless of your motivations, someone needs to take your gun sir, you're a danger just by having it.

as to the military engagement, it wouldn't take long in time and we have 0% chance of "losing", the PR nightmare would be the million or so corpses.


Its a scary situation for sure. Especially for all those living in South Korea that live under the shadow of North Korean artillery but we cannot let them develop a ballistic missile with a thermonuclear warhead with the capability to hit the mainland.

http://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/

when you run the simulations on an attack for Tokyo, San Fransisco, or Los Angeles its freaking scary.
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Nov 29 2017 08:17am
Quote (tman65ky @ Nov 29 2017 02:14pm)
Its a scary situation for sure. Especially for all those living in South Korea that live under the shadow of North Korean artillery but we cannot let them develop a ballistic missile with a thermonuclear warhead with the capability to hit the mainland.

http://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/

when you run the simulations on an attack for Tokyo, San Fransisco, or Los Angeles its freaking scary.


I'm far more scared of Pakistan's nukes than NK's.
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Nov 29 2017 08:23am
Quote (tman65ky @ Nov 29 2017 08:14am)
Its a scary situation for sure. Especially for all those living in South Korea that live under the shadow of North Korean artillery but we cannot let them develop a ballistic missile with a thermonuclear warhead with the capability to hit the mainland.
http://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/

when you run the simulations on an attack for Tokyo, San Fransisco, or Los Angeles its freaking scary.


The Muslim world said the same about Israel, and tried to make it happen.

But again, name me a motivation for NK to preemptively strike ANYONE and i'll agree with you. I only ask because all motivations anyone can think of for them getting a nuke are defensive posturing, maybe you can crack the code of why a NK nuke is dangerous enough thing to cost the million lives of Koreans it will incur to take the Nukes away.

I can show you a lot of projections of what a random meteor can do to the earth, but you can still go outside and live life without needing to make plans for the end of the world.

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Nov 29 2017 09:39am
I have to disagree with some people here, the last nk shot new real estimation is effectively covering all the USA territory AND I'm sorry to inform you that interception is not guaranteed for classic nuke (ty decoys)
Didn't mention EMP that is probably unavoidable.
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Nov 29 2017 09:42am
Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Nov 29 2017 09:39am)
I have to disagree with some people here, the last nk shot new real estimation is effectively covering all the USA territory AND I'm sorry to inform you that interception is not guaranteed for classic nuke (ty decoys)
Didn't mention EMP that is probably unavoidable.


so when will they fire a nuke at usa? since they can and all.
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