Quote (xfrodobagginsx @ Jun 5 2017 03:53pm)

Just believing that God exists isn't enough. You have to believe that Jesus Christ as God in the flesh, died on the cross and rose from the dead for your sins and place your faith in Him for salvation.

As far as OSAS:

If you could lose your salvation, then you don't KNOW that you have eternal life:

1Jo 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may KNOW that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God (Emphasis Mine)

Believers are sealed by the Holy Spirit:

Eph 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

More later. I have to go to work.

Quote (Tjo @ Jun 5 2017 08:17pm)

Nah, nn intellectual acrobatics. I posted several texts, whole James 2. They are not out of context, I have read the Bible. The thing is, that the concept of salvation was a very diffuse one and the authors had different opinions about it. Early on they even wanted to exclude Paul's writings from the Bible. If you read the Bible it becomes very clear that Paul is so different from any other in the Bible.

And I base that on the fact that most people in the world has not heard the gospel. I listened to a pastor on youtube and he said most christians wont go out soul winning.

Quote (CPK001 @ Jun 6 2017 02:47am)

I replied to the James 2 one. Sometimes Paul isn't very clear, even the other authors agree. Paul is very different from any other because of the way he started out, as a murderer persecuting Christians.

So if you agree that most people in the world have not heard the gospel then isn't that all the more reason to go out and tell everyone the good news? Why try to stop it? Some countries already have a law against that. Yet look at the missionaries that do go out and risk their lives to tell others about the gospel.

Most Christians will tell others in a more local environment. Then there is the internet...

Quote (Tjo @ Jun 6 2017 03:20pm)

I don't try to stop the gospel in fact i've nothing against christianity except that it could be more including... in fact, i actually made my best friend to believe in jesus in the past.

Quote (CPK001 @ Jun 6 2017 12:57pm)

What do you mean by more including?

Quote (Tjo @ Jun 6 2017 11:40pm)

well its basically "believe in jesus or you are not a child of God".
Such a religion can and will not unify people, but will always cause division.

Quote (CPK001 @ 7 Jun 2017 08:24)

I see that Satan has twisted those words around.
I believe that it is basically "I am already heading towards damnation but Jesus Christ can save me!"

Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Jun 7 2017 05:49pm)

you got proofs of the shit you are saying ?

Quote (CPK001 @ 7 Jun 2017 13:10)