Quote (ferdia @ Oct 4 2022 01:50pm)

A political leader to my mind should always be able and open to communicate and negotiate with his party, the opposition party, his rivals and his enemies. thats the job.

Quote (chopstickz777 @ Oct 3 2022 09:57pm)

I cannot imagine a more stupid post than this.

Because Russia would just allow the US/NATO to hammer them with conventional weaponry without responding with nukes. Lmfao. Merely launching missiles at the Russian mainland is extremely dangerous because Russia would not know if they were nuclear or conventional and could very well respond with an automated nuclear launch thinking it was an all out nuclear attack, especially given that US doctrine calls for a nuclear first strike.

Dear God the posters on this website. You guys seriously make my brain hurt.

And no, China is definitely not sanctioning Russia under any circumstance. They have an alliance and China hates the US just as much as Russia. That won't change regardless of what happens in Ukraine. As for India, they are going to do what's best for themselves and don't give a fuck about the US

Quote (Goomshill @ Oct 4 2022 02:13am)

China, like Russia, unlike the US, is guided by rational self-interest. They aren't going to adhere to some strict moral code in geopolitics that automatically takes the US side because Russia escalates to nukes. They're going to gauge the situation, including the risk for further escalation and how it could impact China. The overwhelming probability in that scenario is that China would make immediate diplomatic overtures to deescalate and intensify negotiations with Russia, then come away claiming a victory when they're able to pacify the crisis and establish even better relations with Russia in the aftermath. This would serve China's aim of avoiding geopolitical chaos and world war, but also serve their creeping geopolitical interests.

We can't sit around pretending that everyone is going to automatically take our side out of some grand moral outrage in every scenario. You're saying that now about "if Russia uses a nuke". Well, the same camp was saying it "if Russia actually invades". And they did invade. And India, China, Mexico, Israel, etc etc all rebuked the US's call to put Russia in complete isolation. A rational person would look at the difference between what they expected and what actually happened and rethink their strategy

Quote (Santara @ Oct 4 2022 06:33am)

If you think "avoiding nuclear winter" isn't in China's rational interest...

Quote (Goomshill @ Oct 4 2022 12:06pm)

I humbly propose H.R. 9120. "To provide for the nationalization and derussification of Tesla Corporation"
This bill will grant the FBI and DoJ authority to seize and reappropriate all assets of Tesla, Inc. headquartered in Austin Texas. All current employees will be detained in newly constructed detention facilities where they will be able to vow their loyalty to the American flag and if they can demonstrate they patriotic devotion through productive labor for the American military, they may be rehabilitated. All unpatriotic elements and leadership posts will be liquidated. Seized assets will be used as recompense for the Ukrainian people, to be distributed as lend-leased military aid. Existing Tesla vehicles will be recalled and owners will be subject to an FBI background check and flagged for suspicion of un-american activities.

Quote (ferdia @ Oct 4 2022 12:41pm)

Zelenskiy signs decree ruling out negotiations with Putin.

Volodymyr Zelenskiy has signed a decree formally declaring the prospect of any Ukrainian talks with Vladimir Putin “impossible”. The decree formalised comments made by Zelenskiy on Friday after the Russian president proclaimed four occupied regions of Ukraine to be a part of Russia. “He [Putin] does not know what dignity and honesty are. Therefore, we are ready for a dialogue with Russia, but with another president of Russia,” Zelenskiy said on Friday. Clause one of the decree, which was prepared by the National Security and Defence Council of Ukraine on 30 September, reads “[Ukraine decided] to state the impossibility of conducting negotiations with the president of the Russian Federation Vladimir Putin.”

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Happy for that to be discussed!

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Quote (Goomshill @ Oct 4 2022 06:55am)

Which is reason for them to try to seek a diplomatic solution and deescalate, as China favors peace as peace favors China. That doesn't mean they side against Russia much less a hostile approach like this. China has zero interest in the welfare of Ukrainians, it would serve all their purposes to negotiate a peace deal that averts nuclear holocaust but gives Putin his land claims. Thor is dreaming up a scenario where Russia using nukes would align China against them and cause Bejing to escalate against Russia- and increase the risk of further nuclear exchange- which is pretty much the dead opposite of what would happen.