Quote (Santara @ Oct 3 2022 11:16pm)
This is precisely what I mean when I say "publicity stunt."
And I say publicity stunt because I do not think they will do something so supremely stupid as to use nuclear weapons.
they might not see it as stupid but rather their only option at this point if they cannot get what they want via conventional means.
Quote (ownyaah @ Oct 3 2022 11:12pm)
Usually you are more level-headed so im surprised by this.
The partial mobilization hasn't even been sent to the frontlines, except for a very small portion. Then there is the next step, where even if partial mobilization isn't enough there will be a full mobilization, and a long war of attrition with millions of casualties, if that also fails then there might be nukes.
We havn't even entered the stage of partial war yet..
Chill a bit, you guys jumping months/years forward into conclusions
from what i understand (correct me now anyone) it will take months for this mobilistion to translate to a change in the current position. there is no sign of ukraine capitulating, in fact its the opposite, they are knuckling down and the west also shows no sign of relenting. ergo, what will russia do, if they cant achieve their goals via boots on the ground. On reflection, after editing this post to include other ppls posts - i would add - i dont disagree with you, one would have expected what you have outlined, partial, full, still not getting results ? tactical. lets wait and see what happens over the next 6 months.
Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Oct 3 2022 09:39pm)
there was nothing of note in that video! they were just plain spoken on their wish for the EU to rely on the US.
Quote (Goomshill @ Oct 4 2022 08:13am)
China, like Russia, unlike the US, is guided by rational self-interest. They aren't going to adhere to some strict moral code in geopolitics that automatically takes the US side because Russia escalates to nukes. They're going to gauge the situation, including the risk for further escalation and how it could impact China. The overwhelming probability in that scenario is that China would make immediate diplomatic overtures to deescalate and intensify negotiations with Russia, then come away claiming a victory when they're able to pacify the crisis and establish even better relations with Russia in the aftermath. This would serve China's aim of avoiding geopolitical chaos and world war, but also serve their creeping geopolitical interests.
We can't sit around pretending that everyone is going to automatically take our side out of some grand moral outrage in every scenario. You're saying that now about "if Russia uses a nuke". Well, the same camp was saying it "if Russia actually invades". And they did invade. And India, China, Mexico, Israel, etc etc all rebuked the US's call to put Russia in complete isolation. A rational person would look at the difference between what they expected and what actually happened and rethink their strategy
China would need to talk to America, not Russia, to deescalate. America wont let china be a middleman btw.
Quote (chopstickz777 @ Oct 3 2022 11:24pm)
..."internal revolt", lol. Nobody should take that kind of thing seriously...
agree with that
This post was edited by ferdia on Oct 4 2022 02:07am