Yeah, but we have to call out bullshit and not label them " narrow lens opinion" to offer those views any kind of legitimation. Otherwise, you make yourself a fool's accomplice.
How can nuking civilians have any justification?

I can offer you unpopular opinion which holds more truth. USA is the most racist country post Hitler's Germany during WW2. Proof?
Nuking civilians, napalm bombardments in Vietnam, carpet bombing in Iraq, carpet bombing in Syria. You can do those things to fellow humans only when you dehumanize them enough and believe of them to be bellow yourself, not being equal. In summary, they weren't white "caucasians". Using Ukrainians as cannon fodder proves they've got no regard for East Europeans either. No wonder, Russia has always been regarded as "the enemy".

This post was edited by babun1024 on Oct 2 2022 05:33am

how can calling an entire country orc's not be racist?
how can not considering russia's position be sane?
how can refusing russia the ability to seek a truce be moral?
how can literally inducing this war be brushed over?
how can the entire western narrative be "orc's bad, we good"

When I look at us living in the west its really coming across as the west will do anything - the ends justify the means.

This post was edited by ferdia on Oct 2 2022 05:37am

Lets summarise what both sides loose and gain from destroying pipelines:
USA profits (if it was them):
-Russia will maybe lose money if they decide to repair currently unused line (unlikely)
-Cut some potential income from Russia in the future. No direct effect now, as the pipeline was empty anyway.
USA losses:
-if catched, serious diplomatic incident with Germany/EU
-German/EU will dislike USA
-destabilising situation in western world.

Russia profits (if it was them):
-people like you will blame USA anyway, and worsen relations between USA and EU.
-before the explosion, people in Germany were getting unhappy with Russia stopping transports. Destroying the pipelines means people cant blame Russia anymore for not sending gas. Perfect excuse for not sending gas.
-put more panic into gas market, thus increasing the prices and destabilising situation in west.
-gives them or their agents the excuse to attack another pipelines, inside Europe. In the worst case, if their agents are caught attacking Baltic Pipe, they can say "USA destroyed NS so we destroyed your pipeline".
Russia losses:
-lack of potential income after the war, but not much since EU is switching away from Russian gas as totally unreliable.
-if Russia wants to attack Poland in the future, they wont have safe gas route to Germany, which is evading war area. But this perspective is now unlikely as they lost half of their army in Ukraine and will need several years rebuilding before they attack another country.

Looking at above, it seems more likely to me that it was Russia.

Baltic Pipe is mainly for Poland, Czechia, Slovaks. Germany got their own gasoports or connection with Denmark. I dont think they will be Baltic Pipe users.

This post was edited by Ironfister on Oct 2 2022 05:38am

I didn't call anyone orcs. I didn't do any of that and will call out anyone who does.

This post was edited by babun1024 on Oct 2 2022 05:39am

i was not pointing at you ok! i was just saying we are in a totally messed up situation.

Yep it's 1916 all over again. Both sides dug in and Ukraine the no man's land

lmao, how is calling a country orc racist? does that make us orcophobes? lmao.

European model is the "best" model atm, there's absolutely no doubt: you can use many metrics to measure civilization levels, Europe wins or is on top of almost all of them.
After that there are many flaws and threats, but still, if you are still declining the best (or less worse) model for some kind of authoritarian mafia, you definitely need to seek help.

The only logical reason is that you have a plan,a job, or a "business" depending of the regime. Sad.

This post was edited by Meanwhile on Oct 2 2022 07:33am

I didnt vote for current Polish government, because they are populistic, and they kind of bend the rules and lie to people, but to say we are not democratic country is too much.
Federal judges in Germany are elected for life tenure by the Judges Election Committee (Richterwahlausschuss) consisting of 16 ministers of the substates (Länder) and 16 members elected by the German Parliament (Bundestag).
So the judges in your country are elected by politicians too, exactly how its done in Poland now.
So we could say that Germany is also undemocratic, right?
That's the kind of things that aint easy. Politicians after all come from elections, so they should have some limited impact on electing judges, imo.
Because if not the politicians, then who elects judges or improve things?
Another idea would be to make judges elect more judges, fully Independent from national elections, and immune to any influence, but that would mean a country cannot really make progress in judicial or change anything there.
In fact the judges in Poland made some mistakes, like giving many properties to people who claimed that their grandparents owned them before ww2. Often without enough proof, because the country documentation was destroyed during the war or later. but judges saw no problem in it and just gave it when somebody came with some kind of document, sometimes even the document was faked.
Also in 1945 the country, especially the capital city Warsaw, was in ruins. Poles rebuilt their capital from scratch, and now the old owners want the rebuilded buildings. Its simply unfair to us. If they want money, and they are right - they should get some, they should turn to Germany as it was german people who destroyed whole Warsaw and their properties along with it.
Judges were simply wrong in their practices, what judges did was highly unfair, people were angry, politicians promised to make some changes to stop the bad practices.
You say Im antigerman, while Im not, yet you seem antipolish yourself...

Basically this. But want to add something: west Europe != east Europe. If you look how many beggars from eastern parts in Europe visit the western countries you gotta ask yourself if their govs are actually doing shit for the well-being of their people. There are documentaries about how such people live, and in Europe at that.