Quote (Black XistenZ @ Oct 2 2022 03:45am)

How exactly are the United States losing right now? An argument can perhaps be made that Europe is on the losing side and would have been better off throwing Ukraine to the wolves in favor of uninterrupted energy and trade flows with Russia, even after we factor in the geopolitical implications - but the US? What they get out of this war, geopolitically, is worth far more than what they've spent in Ukraine so far.

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Also, from the point of view of ordinary Russians, Putinism is definitely not serving their rational self-interest; does definitely not represent "winning". Russia has ludicrous amounts of natural resources and fertile land, relative to its comparatively small population. Russia should and could be a 30 times larger version of Norway if it was competently run, instead of being bled dry by Putin's corrupt cleptocracy.

Quote (Ironfister @ Oct 1 2022 01:10pm)

The difference between two of us is that I say constructive things like "Germany is not meeting nato guidelines on Army sending" and you say things like "Poland is a beggar nation".
See the difference?
Just because we dont have as much money as Germany and worldwide leading companies like Volkswagen, bmw, Siemens, doesnt really make us beggars.
Do you want to build and keep European Union or not? What kind of Union would that be if one country calls another beggar? First and secondclass citizens?
Thats not how EU works. Please correct your behaviour and attitiude.
Being in EU, while a great common market, also brings cost to us. When we build new roads, we need to do things like passes for Animals, and when there are frogs we need to move road away. Such environmental rules we wouldnt do on our own as a not rich country.
Rubbish prices have gone up like 20times, as before we just throw them away, and know we have to recycle them, and its costly.
We also had to close many coal mines, because EU doesnt like it, and need to import extremely overpriced coal from outside of EU.
We need to limit co2 emitions, as part of EU. While countries like China or USA say "fuck it".
So I personally consider the cash we get from EU as a help to make up for policies that we wouldnt take, if we were outside of EU, and not beggar stuff.

And about horrendous fees for gas transfer through polish territory, how much it was exactly? I honestly dont know, nobody told me such things before.

US used nukes, but later made Japan people their friends. Nobody forces Japan to be friendly with USA, they could switch to China anytime, but they like USA more, because liberal USA is better than China. First of all if decide to be friends with USA you can get out of friendship anytime. If you decide to hang out with Russia, you cant really tell them to go away.
Do I have to remind you that they occupied part of Germany for 45years? Even built a gigantic wall? While USA/UK/France gave freedom to Western Germany. This is a huge difference.

Quote (babun1024 @ 2 Oct 2022 18:39)

Japan doesn't want US forces stationed there. They were forcefully demilitarized after WW. Gooogling just a little bit would show how Japanese civil populace perceives Americans in reality.
I'll answer to you later in full. And sorry to any upstanding Polaks from the cities on d2jsp, but the ones in Germany and the likes of you keep attacking Germany while exclusively being on the receicing end of benefits. Your state cannot be even called democratic anymore. Segregation between judicative, executive and legislative branches isn't present atm( judicative is controlled by legislative). If it were me I'd propose to kick out Poland out of European union. We don't want another Russia in the making here.

On topic:
Warnings are being issued from all sides a nuclear attack would have severe consequences. I think it isn't by chance. The threat seems to be real atm. We're not far away from WW3.

Quote (Ironfister @ 1 Oct 2022 19:10)

The difference between two of us is that I say constructive things like "Germany is not meeting nato guidelines on Army sending" and you say things like "Poland is a beggar nation".
See the difference?
Just because we dont have as much money as Germany and worldwide leading companies like Volkswagen, bmw, Siemens, doesnt really make us beggars.
Do you want to build and keep European Union or not? What kind of Union would that be if one country calls another beggar? First and secondclass citizens?
Thats not how EU works. Please correct your behaviour and attitiude.
Being in EU, while a great common market, also brings cost to us. When we build new roads, we need to do things like passes for Animals, and when there are frogs we need to move road away. Such environmental rules we wouldnt do on our own as a not rich country.
Rubbish prices have gone up like 20times, as before we just throw them away, and know we have to recycle them, and its costly.
We also had to close many coal mines, because EU doesnt like it, and need to import extremely overpriced coal from outside of EU.
We need to limit co2 emitions, as part of EU. While countries like China or USA say "fuck it".
So I personally consider the cash we get from EU as a help to make up for policies that we wouldnt take, if we were outside of EU, and not beggar stuff.

And about horrendous fees for gas transfer through polish territory, how much it was exactly? I honestly dont know, nobody told me such things before.

US used nukes, but later made Japan people their friends. Nobody forces Japan to be friendly with USA, they could switch to China anytime, but they like USA more, because liberal USA is better than China.

This is the most funny shit I have seen and heard this year.

First of all if decide to be friends with USA you can get out of friendship anytime.

This is also a very funny shit that I have heard this year.

If you decide to hang out with Russia, you cant really tell them to go away.

This is Partly true but is no longer the case at the moment.

Do I have to remind you that they occupied part of Germany for 45years? Even built a gigantic wall? While USA/UK/France gave freedom to Western Germany. This is a huge difference.

Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Oct 2 2022 12:04pm)

:rofl:

Quote (ferdia @ Oct 2 2022 01:10pm)

you should expand on your point in order to get your point across.

Quote (babun1024 @ Oct 2 2022 12:14pm)

Apologism with bogus arguments for nuking civilians. You cannot make up that stuff up.

Quote (ferdia @ Oct 2 2022 01:16pm)

i think he just views the world from a very narrow lens, based on his journey in the world. i see no reason not to provide alternative views. whether he agrees or not is irrelevant. at least we tried. i think the freedom fries event is the best example:

USA best friends with France. Until France disagrees with them. then french fries become freedom fries and eastern europe becomes best friends with USA, forget about france, thats old europe. Donald Rumsfeld 101.

Quote (babun1024 @ Oct 2 2022 12:20pm)

With the same narrow lens then it's ok for Russia to nuke parts of Ukraine for "greater good" from their perspective or what? :lol:

Quote (ferdia @ 2 Oct 2022 19:10)

you should expand on your point in order to get your point across.