Makes no sense

If no meddling / no coup / no promised NATO and EU membership then nobody would've been butchered

russia will invade the whole world after ukraine REEEEE I heard it on cnn

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said on Friday that his country is applying “under an accelerated procedure” to become a member of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization. He signed Ukraine’s application together with Speaker of the Parliament Ruslan Stefanchuk and Prime Minister Denys Shmygal. “It is here, in Ukraine, that the values of our Euro-Atlantic community have obtained real vital energy,” Zelensky said in a pre-recorded video message. “The strength of the nation that fights for freedom, and the strength of the nations that help in this fight.” He said that “de facto,” Ukraine had already “completed our path” to NATO.

“Today, Ukraine is applying to make it de jure. Under a procedure consistent with our significance for the protection of our entire community, under an accelerated procedure,” he said.

Zelensky said that he understood that accession would require consensus of NATO members. “And therefore, while this is happening, we offer to implement our proposals regarding security guarantees for Ukraine and all of Europe in accordance with the Kyiv Security Compact, which was developed and presented to our partners.” NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg said on Friday that member states of the alliance support Ukraine's “right to choose its own path” after Zelensky made the announcement. And Stoltenberg cautioned that any decision on membership has to be taken by all 30 members of the alliance. “NATO allies, when they met at the NATO Summit in Madrid, stated also very clearly that we support Ukraine’s right to choose its own path, to decide what kind of security arrangements it wants to be a part of,” Stoltenberg told a news conference.

"Every democracy in Europe has the right to apply for NATO membership, and NATO allies respect that right and we have stated again and again that NATO's door remains open. And we have demonstrated that over the last [few] years,” he said.

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wait and see i guess.

This post was edited by ferdia on Oct 1 2022 10:48am

Russia getting absolutely waxed, how embarrassing for Putin.

Hard to imagine he'll accept defeat and withdraw completely before using Nuclear weapons.

Russia has gained territory, the casualties and destruction are obviously lopsided against Ukraine, the west has suffered far greater economic damage and NATO has alienated some of the unaligned world who won't side with them.
The best thing for people who truly have the best interests of both Ukraine and NATO is to recognize failed strategies and try to rethink them, instead of blind jingoism that insists we're winning all the time. Didn't work in Afghanistan or Iraq or Syria

Like I said, Russia is getting waxed by MUCH smaller military.

Russia has done nothing but show the world how weak their military actually is. Their troops on the ground are so weak it's insane.

corruption top to bottom...and it was weaken by the economy since 2014 or even earlier.
I am not sure about this, but I don't think the Russian army feeds their front line well enough. But I might be wrong.
Even if the current situation looks dire for the Russians, they still have tricks up their sleeves.

I ithnk in that Jordan Peterson video he spoke about totalitarism - from top to bottom, that ever will cause problems throughout all institutions, including military. i mean if the top 0.1% have all the money, if the military stagnates, dont expect much from it.

This post was edited by ferdia on Oct 1 2022 11:41am

Beating corruption is a top down affair

It was clear to Lee that for a nation to beat corruption and build a just society, the cleansing has to start at the very top.

In his speech for the ‘Africa Leadership Forum in Singapore’ on November 8th, 1993, he said…

“Once a political system has been corrupted right from the very top leaders to the lowest rungs of the bureaucracy, the problem is very complicated. The cleansing and disinfecting has to start from top and go downwards in a thorough and systematic way. It is a long and laborious process that can be carried out only by a very strong group of leaders with the strength and moral authority derived from unquestioned integrity.”

Furthermore, this group of core leaders right at the top must be determined and united, in addition to possessing a strong sense of social duty.

“Our first goal in Singapore was to shape the government into an effective instrument of policy. This requires strong, fair and just leaders, who would have the moral strength to command the respect of the people. Unity in the core group of leaders helped to send clear signals to the people thus avoiding confusion that would have arisen if the team had bickered and split.”

“Leaders must have the sense of trusteeship… Corruption, which we regarded as a cancer, must be eradicated as soon as detected.”

Lee Kuan Yew views on Corruption.

Singapore in a way is a totalitarian state. It was quite evident in her early stages up till the mid 1990s

This post was edited by Hamsterbaby on Oct 1 2022 11:42am

Russia made a crucial mistake, "special military operation" without declaring war meant that their forces were severely lacking manpower.

They went in unprepared, we all remember that captured Russian soldiers said they had no idea what they were doing there at the beginning of the operation. Their commanders had expected a walkover.

Ukraine on the other hand knew what was going on and fully mobilized. While they all dug in, even civilians were standing guard with molotov cocktails.

Now Ukraine's fully mobilized military has received training and can use the modern weapons they received from the West, that's why they've taken the initiative.

Right now no one knows what's going to happen, Russia is now mobilizing but still hasn't declared war on Ukraine.