Quote (babun1024 @ 1 Oct 2022 09:16)
You spew so much propaganda BS at once. I don't know whether you believe what you say.
1. We didn't ban Ukraine from NATO. Germany, France and Italy did, all founding members of the EU but you guys aim at Germany as scapegoat.
2. There isn't a single pipeline, there are 4. One of them goes through Poland, the other one through Ukraine. We would never need NS1 or NS2 if Poland wouldn't ask for horrendous amounts of transit fee just because the pipelines went through Poland and Ukraine actively stealing, not paying up gas. We were paying for both of you. Stop getting gas and transit fees from Russia. The other argument of fully dependance doesn't work either. If Russia had 0 pipelines leading to Germany and just halted all gas export to whatever nation the price hike would be the same for Europe. We simply don't have enough energy resources of our own.
3. Whoever told you nuclear energy would be cheap, safe or clean is the biggest idiot on earth. The most expensive bit about nuclear energy is its waste which virtually never disappears and is very expensives to keep monitored. Then you have fuckups like Chernobyl and Fukushima which make places inhabitable forever. I don't want such a thing ever in Europe to happen.
4. Gas, specially gas and nothing else is used to create fertilizer on industrial scale. Germany isn't just dependent on gas, we consume as much as 100x of Poland together because Poland is a beggar nation which still reapairs its infrastructure from money given by Germany to EU funds. You're still at net negative. Back to topic, without that fertilizer food prices are going to go up all around the world, billions of hungry people and starvations. The peak is going to be in 2023-24. The rest depends on how long the war is going to continue.
5. We spend more on military than all Poland and baltic states together, it's just less than 2% of our GDP, but our GDP is gigantic in the first place. Again, you've been brainwashed by MSM. While we spend so much in military we also pay for the meat shields Poland and other Baltic states through EU to keep them armed in case of a conflict. Without the EU, the Polish and Baltic card house would crumble in no time. Basically, Germany, France and Italy are NATO's backbone through EU. In case, you didn't know, Russia's number 1 enemy would be Germany.
Back to topic, the truth is truth. I am not putting dirt on anyone when I say it how it is. Sorry, if you're from places where talking the truth is regarded as puting dirt on someone. The last nation to use arms with totsl disregard to civilian casualties on mass scale manner has been USA. Vietnam, Iraq then Syria. You can look yourself for the amount of victims. The biggest fuckups in history which is being interpreted as not so bad in the end written by the books of victors are Hirosgima and Nagasaki. The US is the only country which actually used nukes. When I want to describe what Putin's Russia could do in the future I am forced to look for the US references because there's been no precedence from other countries since WW2.
Mr. birdbrain, Russia would rather nuke Poland and Germany than Ukraine. Use your brain to find out why.
The difference between two of us is that I say constructive things like "Germany is not meeting nato guidelines on Army sending" and you say things like "Poland is a beggar nation".
See the difference?
Just because we dont have as much money as Germany and worldwide leading companies like Volkswagen, bmw, Siemens, doesnt really make us beggars.
Do you want to build and keep European Union or not? What kind of Union would that be if one country calls another beggar? First and secondclass citizens?
Thats not how EU works. Please correct your behaviour and attitiude.
Being in EU, while a great common market, also brings cost to us. When we build new roads, we need to do things like passes for Animals, and when there are frogs we need to move road away. Such environmental rules we wouldnt do on our own as a not rich country.
Rubbish prices have gone up like 20times, as before we just throw them away, and know we have to recycle them, and its costly.
We also had to close many coal mines, because EU doesnt like it, and need to import extremely overpriced coal from outside of EU.
We need to limit co2 emitions, as part of EU. While countries like China or USA say "fuck it".
So I personally consider the cash we get from EU as a help to make up for policies that we wouldnt take, if we were outside of EU, and not beggar stuff.
And about horrendous fees for gas transfer through polish territory, how much it was exactly? I honestly dont know, nobody told me such things before.
US used nukes, but later made Japan people their friends. Nobody forces Japan to be friendly with USA, they could switch to China anytime, but they like USA more, because liberal USA is better than China. First of all if decide to be friends with USA you can get out of friendship anytime. If you decide to hang out with Russia, you cant really tell them to go away.
Do I have to remind you that they occupied part of Germany for 45years? Even built a gigantic wall? While USA/UK/France gave freedom to Western Germany. This is a huge difference.