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Sep 30 2022 03:31pm
Quote (Ironfister @ Sep 30 2022 03:22pm)
The last time Zaporoska Nuclear plant was bombed, the bombs came from Russian side.
Russians asked about it said that Ukrainians used the bombs to move backwards xD
Good enough for average Russian propaganda ester I guess.
Never trust a word putinist says to you, lol


I think this post more or less sums up the average quality of the posters here.

Just the same repetitive falsehoods & propaganda nonsense being posted over and over.

In this particular case, it's not even true - anybody who pays even the slightest attention is well aware that the shelling of the ZNPP all came from Ukrainian territory, for months.

But Ukraine of course can get away with it even if they cause a nuclear catastrophe, since the MSM will just blame Russia no matter what the truth is. And then people like ironfister here, will go their entire lives believing the exact opposite happened because they believe any lie, no matter how ridiculous and how stupid and how obviously false that comes their way, because they are entirely incapable of admitting that Russia told the truth about something.
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Sep 30 2022 03:38pm
Quote (Ironfister @ 1 Oct 2022 05:22)
The last time Zaporoska Nuclear plant was bombed, the bombs came from Russian side.
Russians asked about it said that Ukrainians used the bombs to move backwards xD
Good enough for average Russian propaganda ester I guess.
Never trust a word putinist says to you, lol


look I understand where you are coming from but if you are going to use Ad Hominem on someone who might have a slightly different opinion and who is currently on the ground witnessing everything first hand, it might not be the best reaction.
But that is just my two cents worth.
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Sep 30 2022 04:06pm
Quote (chopstickz777 @ Sep 30 2022 10:22pm)
Found a good new blog: https://bigserge.substack.com/p/the-war-has-just-begun

The War Has Just Begun

One of the more fascinating aspects of the war in Ukraine is the extent to which Russia has contrived to attrit NATO military hardware without fighting a direct war with NATO forces. In a previous analysis I referred to Ukraine as a vampiric force which has reversed the logic of the proxy war; it’s a black hole sucking in NATO gear for destruction.

There are now very limited stockpiles to draw from to continue to arm Ukraine. Military Watch Magazine noted that NATO has drained the old Warsaw Pact tank park, leaving them bereft of Soviet tanks to donate to Ukraine. Once these reservoirs are fully tapped, the only option will be giving Ukraine western tank models. This, however, is much harder than it sounds, because it would require not only extensive training of tank crews, but also an entirely different selection of ammunition, spare parts, and repair facilities.

Tanks are not the only problem, however. Ukraine is now staring down the barrel (heh heh) of a serious shortage of conventional tube artillery. Earlier in the summer, the United States donated 155mm howitzers, but with stockpiles of both guns and shells dwindling, they’ve recently been forced to turn to lower caliber towed trash. After the announcement of yet another aid tranche on September 28th, the USA has now put together five consecutive packages which do not contain any conventional 155mm shells. Shells for Ukraine’s Soviet vintage artillery were running low as early as June.

In effect, the effort to keep Ukraine’s artillery arm functioning has gone through a few phases. In the first phase, Warsaw Pact stockpiles of Soviet shells were drained to supply Ukraine’s existing guns. In the second phase, Ukraine was given mid-level western capabilities, especially the 155mm howitzer. Now that 155mm shells are running low, Ukraine has to make do with 105mm guns which are badly outranged by Russian howitzers and will be, in a word, doomed in any kind of counterbattery action.

As a substitute for adequate tube artillery, the latest aid package does include 18 more of the internet’s favorite meme weapon - the HIMARS Multiple Launch Rocket System. What is not explicitly mentioned in the press release is that the HIMARS systems don’t exist in current US inventories and will have to be built, and are thus unlikely to arrive in Ukraine for several years.

The increasing difficulties in arming Ukraine coincide with the rapid closing of Ukraine’s window of operational opportunity. The forces accumulated over the summer are degraded and fought out, and every subsequent rebuild of the Ukrainian first tier forces will become harder as manpower is destroyed and NATO arsenals are depleted. This depletion comes precisely as Russian force generation is surging, foretelling the Winter of Yuri.

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In the main i dont agree with this. its my view that the west will not struggle to continue to arm ukraine. also, i dont understand this concept of a closing operational opportunity window on the part of ukraine. this makes no sense in the ebb and flow of the war. if you want to talk about operational oppertunity then one would point to the recent counter offensive by ukraine. that was a oppertunity they took, which led to russia having to mobilise (or lose, which they wont countenance btw).

This post was edited by ferdia on Sep 30 2022 04:08pm
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Quote (chopstickz777 @ Sep 30 2022 04:22pm)
Found a good new blog: https://bigserge.substack.com/p/the-war-has-just-begun

The War Has Just Begun

One of the more fascinating aspects of the war in Ukraine is the extent to which Russia has contrived to attrit NATO military hardware without fighting a direct war with NATO forces. In a previous analysis I referred to Ukraine as a vampiric force which has reversed the logic of the proxy war; it’s a black hole sucking in NATO gear for destruction.

There are now very limited stockpiles to draw from to continue to arm Ukraine. Military Watch Magazine noted that NATO has drained the old Warsaw Pact tank park, leaving them bereft of Soviet tanks to donate to Ukraine. Once these reservoirs are fully tapped, the only option will be giving Ukraine western tank models. This, however, is much harder than it sounds, because it would require not only extensive training of tank crews, but also an entirely different selection of ammunition, spare parts, and repair facilities.

Tanks are not the only problem, however. Ukraine is now staring down the barrel (heh heh) of a serious shortage of conventional tube artillery. Earlier in the summer, the United States donated 155mm howitzers, but with stockpiles of both guns and shells dwindling, they’ve recently been forced to turn to lower caliber towed trash. After the announcement of yet another aid tranche on September 28th, the USA has now put together five consecutive packages which do not contain any conventional 155mm shells. Shells for Ukraine’s Soviet vintage artillery were running low as early as June.

In effect, the effort to keep Ukraine’s artillery arm functioning has gone through a few phases. In the first phase, Warsaw Pact stockpiles of Soviet shells were drained to supply Ukraine’s existing guns. In the second phase, Ukraine was given mid-level western capabilities, especially the 155mm howitzer. Now that 155mm shells are running low, Ukraine has to make do with 105mm guns which are badly outranged by Russian howitzers and will be, in a word, doomed in any kind of counterbattery action.

As a substitute for adequate tube artillery, the latest aid package does include 18 more of the internet’s favorite meme weapon - the HIMARS Multiple Launch Rocket System. What is not explicitly mentioned in the press release is that the HIMARS systems don’t exist in current US inventories and will have to be built, and are thus unlikely to arrive in Ukraine for several years.

The increasing difficulties in arming Ukraine coincide with the rapid closing of Ukraine’s window of operational opportunity. The forces accumulated over the summer are degraded and fought out, and every subsequent rebuild of the Ukrainian first tier forces will become harder as manpower is destroyed and NATO arsenals are depleted. This depletion comes precisely as Russian force generation is surging, foretelling the Winter of Yuri.

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LMAO!

"We're destroying all this NATO gear with the bodies of our dead soldiers."

Might as well have said "I'm going to destroy your knee with my balls."
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Sep 30 2022 04:25pm
Quote (Santara @ Sep 30 2022 04:23pm)
LMAO!

"We're destroying all this NATO gear with the bodies of our dead soldiers."

Might as well have said "I'm going to destroy your knee with my balls."


Lmfao, the NATO bloc has practically completely ran out of Soviet tanks & shells to send to Ukraine and you think what? They will just snap their fingers and POOF a thousand more T-72's will appear out of thin air?

Jesus dude you're always such a riot :rofl:
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Sep 30 2022 04:27pm
Quote (Santara @ Sep 30 2022 04:23pm)
LMAO!

"We're destroying all this NATO gear with the bodies of our dead soldiers."

Might as well have said "I'm going to destroy your knee with my balls."


Oh yeah, and let's not forget that Russia has only lost 6k dudes (not counting dpr/lpr) compared to Ukraine's 100k+.

Not only is Ukraine running out of western supplied equipment faster than it can be resupplied but they are not even inflicting serious losses on the main Russian army.
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Sep 30 2022 04:30pm
Quote (ferdia @ Sep 30 2022 04:06pm)
In the main i dont agree with this. its my view that the west will not struggle to continue to arm ukraine. also, i dont understand this concept of a closing operational opportunity window on the part of ukraine. this makes no sense in the ebb and flow of the war. if you want to talk about operational oppertunity then one would point to the recent counter offensive by ukraine. that was a oppertunity they took, which led to russia having to mobilise (or lose, which they wont countenance btw).


The fact is that Soviet era stuff which the Ukrainian army is trained on and has ammo for has almost completely ran out. Russia has blown it all up.

So pray tell, what tanks are Ukraine going to use moving forward? The Abrams? The Leopard? Systems which their soldiers are not even trained on and which require their own maintenance, ammo types, different spare parts, different specialists, etc,

It has gotten to the point that Ukraine is now fielding old ass T-55's. Once those are gone - and they will get blown up even easier and faster - what then.

The fact is, you don't have an easy answer for these kind of logistics issues. You're going off the top of your head, or maybe not even that
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Sep 30 2022 04:36pm
Quote (chopstickz777 @ Sep 30 2022 05:25pm)
Lmfao, the NATO bloc has practically completely ran out of Soviet tanks & shells to send to Ukraine and you think what? They will just snap their fingers and POOF a thousand more T-72's will appear out of thin air?

Jesus dude you're always such a riot :rofl:


NATO has run out of ancient Soviet crap which Ukraine has successfully used to keep Russia at bay? Know who else has run out? Russia. 6000 vehicles of all types destroyed or captured.

You know who can build lots more (non-Soviet crap)? NATO.

You know who can't reasonably replace their equipment losses? You.

Quote (chopstickz777 @ Sep 30 2022 05:27pm)
Oh yeah, and let's not forget that Russia has only lost 6k dudes (not counting dpr/lpr) compared to Ukraine's 100k+.

Not only is Ukraine running out of western supplied equipment faster than it can be resupplied but they are not even inflicting serious losses on the main Russian army.


Lol. I bet you actually believe that bullshit.

Russia "has only experienced 3% losses," that's why it needs to expand its force .3-1.2M more men.

This post was edited by Santara on Sep 30 2022 04:37pm
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Sep 30 2022 04:44pm
is there a reason putin hasn't been assassinated yet?
why are russians a bunch of dumb cucks getting rounded up for the meat grinder on the front lines with no military training when all that's needed to end the war is one guy with balls taking out putin?
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Sep 30 2022 04:50pm
Quote (duffman316 @ Sep 30 2022 11:44pm)
is there a reason putin hasn't been assassinated yet?
why are russians a bunch of dumb cucks getting rounded up for the meat grinder on the front lines with no military training when all that's needed to end the war is one guy with balls taking out putin?


This is probably why Civilization is the best game that ever existed.
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