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Sep 30 2022 02:55pm
Quote (ferdia @ 30 Sep 2022 22:29)

a brief comment, to my mind, ukraine is now no longer progressing. one of the most obvious outputs of this war in ukraine will be an upsurge in violence, the reduced value of life and an increase in crime and poverty all as a result of the experiences of this war. you dont go home and go back to normal after something like this. as a consequence of a brutal invasion and never-surrender defence, as well as the occupation of territories, i mean, look at it from a historical standpoint, it will impact ukraine for decades. from what putin has just done to my mind there will ever be a war/military activities, for years to come. that will have a natural impact on ukraine.


Now Ukraine is a candidate to EU, something it couldnt accomplish before the war.
And the EU requires progress fighting corruption as a part of negiotiation process.
Russians were making mess and espionage actions there for long years, I think they will stop when they will see its a lost cause.
Amount of money for rebuilding will be big, just as weapon transfers now. Probably Russian Frozen money will be given to Ukraine, at least partially.
A war won vs Russia is also a great starting myth for any nation, especially relatively young one like Ukraine.
Something like liberation from England for USA.
Also relatively new brotherhood with Poland and UK and USA will help them.
We werent very friendly with our Ukraine neighbours before, as their war Heroes were considered villains here and were jailed in Poland.
So 100 years ago we werent really friendly to each other, now its changed.
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Sep 30 2022 03:00pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Sep 30 2022 11:32am)


Reading isn't the only thing you don't do. Thinking for yourself or even using basic common sense when it comes to geopolitical affairs isn't exactly your strong suite either :rofl:
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Sep 30 2022 03:01pm
Quote (Ironfister @ Sep 30 2022 02:55pm)
Now Ukraine is a candidate to EU, something it couldnt accomplish before the war.
And the EU requires progress fighting corruption as a part of negiotiation process.
Russians were making mess and espionage actions there for long years, I think they will stop when they will see its a lost cause.
Amount of money for rebuilding will be big, just as weapon transfers now. Probably Russian Frozen money will be given to Ukraine, at least partially.
A war won vs Russia is also a great starting myth for any nation, especially relatively young one like Ukraine.
Something like liberation from England for USA.
Also relatively new brotherhood with Poland and UK and USA will help them.
We werent very friendly with our Ukraine neighbours before, as their war Heroes were considered villains here and were jailed in Poland.
So 100 years ago we werent really friendly to each other, now its changed.


Ukraine is a "candidate" to an EU that is becoming deindustrialized and degraded as we speak and if they're lucky might be a member in 20 years.

Lmao. The EU will go to the dustbin of history along with the old empire, it is a fatally flawed construct that only exists to strip nations of their sovereignty and force "liberal values" onto well meaning people.

Ukraine is of no use to the EU, their only "value" is to be used as cannon fodder in Brandon's proxy war against Russia. Their people are to be sacrificed, and they will be.

This post was edited by chopstickz777 on Sep 30 2022 03:02pm
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Quote (Hamsterbaby @ 30 Sep 2022 22:17)
So am I fair to say England Occupied India for a long time and because their government is evil that is why there are so many gang rape cases in India?
Because England took a lot from India. Or does it have something to do with certain cultures, upbringing etc.

This is a honest question.


Sorry, Im not an expert about India. We either dont study Indian history in our schools here, or I have forgotten everything xD
I work in IT and its common to work with Indian people in IT, but I wasnt there in person or studied about India.
I can only imagine its hard to fully stabilize such a large country in wealth, when every next generation is bigger. its like you constantly need to build new houses, new streets, new factories etc.
Definitely easier for European countries where population is constant :)
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Sep 30 2022 03:06pm
Meanwhile,

The White House says that Now is not the time for the process of Ukraine's admission to NATO, “it should be taken up at a different time” — White House

LOL :rofl:

Another failed PR move by Zelensky. Like dude, you still haven't figured it out yet? Your country is nothing but a sacrificial pawn for unipolar hegemony, nothing more. And you are playing the role perfectly, by offering your people up to Obama & Brandon as sacrifices in their game.
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Sep 30 2022 03:14pm
Quote (ferdia @ 1 Oct 2022 04:45)
i actually watched that the other day already. didnt agree with a bit at the start but re: "we will win/wtf do u mean" totally agreed with that.
at the end of the day i dont see ukraine getting into nato (can see them getting into the eu though) and that in and of itself will be putins idea of a victory, nevermind the land he just stole. i mean, its not what he wants but he will probably go with it.


I just hope Nolander is alright.

this is what he have to say when we spoke privately.
He wants me to share with you.

Since he is on the ground.

My scenario is:
1. Zaporizhzhia Nuclear station will be bombed again by ZSU
2. Since Zaporizhzhia is now a terrytory of Russia, there will be a nuclear answer
3. NATO will stay aside
4. Zelensky will surrender Zaporizhzhia, Crimea, Donetsk, Luhansk oblast
5. Conscripts will stay there for some time as border guards
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Sep 30 2022 03:15pm
Quote (chopstickz777 @ 30 Sep 2022 23:06)
Meanwhile,

The White House says that Now is not the time for the process of Ukraine's admission to NATO, “it should be taken up at a different time” — White House

LOL :rofl:

Another failed PR move by Zelensky. Like dude, you still haven't figured it out yet? Your country is nothing but a sacrificial pawn for unipolar hegemony, nothing more. And you are playing the role perfectly, by offering your people up to Obama & Brandon as sacrifices in their game.


Some people already said why its controversial for NATO to accept Ukraine now, as its at active war.
Once the case fire is negotiated, they will be accepted into NATO and Ukraine future will be safe forever.
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Sep 30 2022 03:21pm
Quote (Ironfister @ Sep 30 2022 03:15pm)
Some people already said why its controversial for NATO to accept Ukraine now, as its at active war.
Once the case fire is negotiated, they will be accepted into NATO and Ukraine future will be safe forever.


By the time the war is over all that will be left of Ukraine is a dismembered rump state.

Sure, they can join NATO I guess :rofl:
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Sep 30 2022 03:22pm
Found a good new blog: https://bigserge.substack.com/p/the-war-has-just-begun

The War Has Just Begun

One of the more fascinating aspects of the war in Ukraine is the extent to which Russia has contrived to attrit NATO military hardware without fighting a direct war with NATO forces. In a previous analysis I referred to Ukraine as a vampiric force which has reversed the logic of the proxy war; it’s a black hole sucking in NATO gear for destruction.

There are now very limited stockpiles to draw from to continue to arm Ukraine. Military Watch Magazine noted that NATO has drained the old Warsaw Pact tank park, leaving them bereft of Soviet tanks to donate to Ukraine. Once these reservoirs are fully tapped, the only option will be giving Ukraine western tank models. This, however, is much harder than it sounds, because it would require not only extensive training of tank crews, but also an entirely different selection of ammunition, spare parts, and repair facilities.

Tanks are not the only problem, however. Ukraine is now staring down the barrel (heh heh) of a serious shortage of conventional tube artillery. Earlier in the summer, the United States donated 155mm howitzers, but with stockpiles of both guns and shells dwindling, they’ve recently been forced to turn to lower caliber towed trash. After the announcement of yet another aid tranche on September 28th, the USA has now put together five consecutive packages which do not contain any conventional 155mm shells. Shells for Ukraine’s Soviet vintage artillery were running low as early as June.

In effect, the effort to keep Ukraine’s artillery arm functioning has gone through a few phases. In the first phase, Warsaw Pact stockpiles of Soviet shells were drained to supply Ukraine’s existing guns. In the second phase, Ukraine was given mid-level western capabilities, especially the 155mm howitzer. Now that 155mm shells are running low, Ukraine has to make do with 105mm guns which are badly outranged by Russian howitzers and will be, in a word, doomed in any kind of counterbattery action.

As a substitute for adequate tube artillery, the latest aid package does include 18 more of the internet’s favorite meme weapon - the HIMARS Multiple Launch Rocket System. What is not explicitly mentioned in the press release is that the HIMARS systems don’t exist in current US inventories and will have to be built, and are thus unlikely to arrive in Ukraine for several years.

The increasing difficulties in arming Ukraine coincide with the rapid closing of Ukraine’s window of operational opportunity. The forces accumulated over the summer are degraded and fought out, and every subsequent rebuild of the Ukrainian first tier forces will become harder as manpower is destroyed and NATO arsenals are depleted. This depletion comes precisely as Russian force generation is surging, foretelling the Winter of Yuri.

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Quote (Hamsterbaby @ 30 Sep 2022 23:14)
I just hope Nolander is alright.

this is what he have to say when we spoke privately.
He wants me to share with you.

Since he is on the ground.

My scenario is:
1. Zaporizhzhia Nuclear station will be bombed again by ZSU
2. Since Zaporizhzhia is now a terrytory of Russia, there will be a nuclear answer
3. NATO will stay aside
4. Zelensky will surrender Zaporizhzhia, Crimea, Donetsk, Luhansk oblast
5. Conscripts will stay there for some time as border guards


The last time Zaporoska Nuclear plant was bombed, the bombs came from Russian side.
Russians asked about it said that Ukrainians used the bombs to move backwards xD
Good enough for average Russian propaganda ester I guess.
Never trust a word putinist says to you, lol
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