if ukraine joined nato today we would have ww3 because there is no way russia would accept that and pull back. can we just park ukraine and nato for the time being, its not realistic while the war rages on. if we get to the other side of this war and we are still here, for sure let the converstion re: ukraine in nato continue (but my view is that its a mistake, but well there are alot of mistakes made).

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So far they still occupy Kherson, so they arent totally incapable.
If the Russia conquers Ukraine, they will be able to use Ukrainians as soldiers. They will basically double their war potential. Mostly by force (go to war or we will starve your family) but some years of propaganda will also work to turn some Ukrainians into "orcs".
Maybe I shouldnt say that, but our polish army isn't war veteran army. On the paper it might look not that bad, hovewer its not proven in war. Will the soldiers have as much courage as Ukrainians? Will the polish people endure mobilization and ban of travel in case of war, just as Ukrainian do?
I honestly dont know answers to these questions. But would rather dont test it, lol

You say the baltics are NATO, but Mr Putin says he doesnt consider them as part of NATO so attacking them isn't attack on NATO. What will NATO do? Will they really defend, or they will rather say "fuck them, lets pretend Putin is right and this isn't attack on NATO, defending is too much risk of escalation".
Knowing something about current Germany and France I believe it will be the latter, sadly.

Both pictures speak about same nations.
Yes Im aware Ukraine has corruption problems.
It was occupied by Russia for a long time after all
When the country is under occupation, people naturally start to resist the government. Because the government is evil, it takes too much from you and gives you nothing back.
And you are poor. When you are relatively rich country, your people can have nice lives with their wages. In poor country you cant have a good living on official salary, you need some off-record income.
But I truły believe Ukrainians are progressing now.
You cant enter EU as a corrupt country. So to join the EU they will have to fight corruption, and they are motivated to do so.
There is one positive of this war, before in Ukraine there was some sentiment for Russia, that was making it difficult to totally part away with Russia. Now its done, and Ukraine future is relatively bright imo.

So am I fair to say England Occupied India for a long time and because their government is evil that is why there are so many gang rape cases in India?
Because England took a lot from India. Or does it have something to do with certain cultures, upbringing etc.

This is a honest question.

I understand the mechanics of it, and I'm positive at least one member (if not all) would veto Ukrainian membership while the war wages. I'm just trying to understand whether or not it is true that NATO requires the applicant to be at peace.

from a neutral strandpoint i would have thought not at war would be a pre-condition. this is only my view, i dont know the answer.



a brief comment, to my mind, ukraine is now no longer progressing. one of the most obvious outputs of this war in ukraine will be an upsurge in violence, the reduced value of life and an increase in crime and poverty all as a result of the experiences of this war. you dont go home and go back to normal after something like this. as a consequence of a brutal invasion and never-surrender defence, as well as the occupation of territories, i mean, look at it from a historical standpoint, it will impact ukraine for decades. from what putin has just done to my mind there will ever be a war/military activities, for years to come. that will have a natural impact on ukraine.

This post was edited by ferdia on Sep 30 2022 02:35pm

did you watch my video? Any comments will be appreciated.

another step closer to escalation, can the warmongers at least wait until i am out of europe?

or wait until the 4th month of Ladder reset in Europe

i actually watched that the other day already. didnt agree with a bit at the start but re: "we will win/wtf do u mean" totally agreed with that.
at the end of the day i dont see ukraine getting into nato (can see them getting into the eu though) and that in and of itself will be putins idea of a victory, nevermind the land he just stole. i mean, its not what he wants but he will probably go with it.

This post was edited by ferdia on Sep 30 2022 02:52pm