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Sep 30 2022 11:26am
Quote (chopstickz777 @ 30 Sep 2022 19:12)
Make no mistake, the territories that have been annexed by Russia will NEVER again be a part of Ukraine.

It's over. If the west is idiotic enough to escalate by directly entering the war then we are going to see nuclear armageddon over Kherson, Donetsk, Luhansk and Zaphorizie, lol


Two weeks ago you would also add Kharkiv to the list, but now no longer.
Half donetsk and Zaporoze are under Ukraine control, as well as parts of another two districts.
So Putin annexation was remote, including terrains he doesnt control, just like Czech Republic annexing Kaliningrad.
https://www.petice.com/petice_za_vyhlaeni_referenda_o_pipojeni_kaliningradu_k_eske_republice
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Putin: the West's claims to world domination have been shattered more than once by the courage of our soldiers. Any agreements are violated unilaterally. Solid deceit and triple standards designed for fools. Russia is a thousand-year-old country-civilization that will not live by rigged rules. It was the West that trampled on the principle of the inviolability of borders, and now it decides who has the right to self-determination and who is "not worthy" of it.

Putin: The West does not and never had the moral right to stutter about freedoms and democracy. They divide the world into their vassals and everyone else who, according to the plan of the Western racists, should join the list of "barbarians" and "savages". The Western elites are what they were, and have remained so - colonialist. We have never accepted and will never accept this political racism. What, if not racism, is Russophobia spreading in the world?

Putin: We are proud that in the 20th century it was our country that opened the anti-colonial movement.

Putin: The United States, together with the British, turned German cities into ruins, and this was done defiantly, without any need, in order to intimidate both our country and the whole world. Until now, the United States has actually occupied Germany, Japan, South Korea, and at the same time cynically calls them equal allies. Although it is known that their leaders are being followed, they install tracking devices not only in official, but also in private premises. The development of biological weapons, experiments on living people, they call noble medical research.

Putin: The goal of the United States is the deindustrialization of Europe, and European elites understand this. This is not even servility, but a direct betrayal of their peoples. The Anglo-Saxons turned to sabotage by organizing explosions on the Nord Stream pipelines.

Putin: by starting a sanctions blitzkrieg against the Russian Federation, the West believed that it could “build” the whole world on its own command. But such a prospect excites only political masochists and fans of other non-traditional forms of international relations. People cannot be accumulated with printed dollars and euros, and inflated, virtual capitalization cannot be heated at home. You can not feed people with papers.

Putin: there is every reason to believe that the West is not going to look for a constructive way out of the food and energy crisis. There are fears that they are ready to use other recipes that are familiar to them. The profits from World War II allowed the United States to impose the power of the dollar on the planet, and the imminent crisis of the 80s was overcome by appropriating the legacy and resources of the Soviet Union. Now they need at all costs to break Russia and other states that choose a sovereign course of development.

Putin: The West denies moral standards, religion, family. Do we really want Russia to have “parent number one, two, three” instead of “mom and dad” and that perversions that lead to degradation and extinction are imposed on children in schools, supposedly there are some genders, except for women and men? For us, this is unacceptable.

Putin: we have many like-minded people all over the world, and we see their support. A liberation movement against unipolar hegemony is developing all over the world. Today we are fighting to make dictatorship and despotism forever a thing of the past. A policy built on the exclusivity of someone and the suppression of other cultures and peoples is criminal. We must turn this shameful page. The collapse of Western hegemony that has begun is irreversible. It won't be like before.

Putin: The battlefield is for our people, for great historical Russia. We need the consolidation of the whole society. Our values ​​are humanity, mercy and compassion. As Ivan Ilyin said, "I believe in the spiritual forces of the Russian people, their spirit is my spirit, their fate is my destiny, their suffering is my sorrow, their flourishing is my joy."



Well there it is, folks. This is the end of the post-ww2 unipolar US hegemony over the entire planet, which it has spent the past 80 years ruthlessly abusing for self-gain and destroying the lives of millions of people in the process, and the birth of a new multi-polar world where the rights of individual nations will be respected, a world where international law will not merely be a token that is abused by the most powerful.

Those who are in power in the west today do not want to accept this and want to maintain this former hegemony. However, it is not and will not be accepted by a majority of the worlds countries or population. All they can do now to try to stop it is start a nuclear war - after the proxy war in Ukraine inevitably ends in Russia's favor.

Those whom are in power here in America, and in Europe, are little more than pathetic cowards whom want to prevent the birth of a new world. They will not succeed.

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Quote (chopstickz777 @ 30 Sep 2022 19:26)
Putin: the West's claims to world domination have been shattered more than once by the courage of our soldiers. Any agreements are violated unilaterally. Solid deceit and triple standards designed for fools. Russia is a thousand-year-old country-civilization that will not live by rigged rules. It was the West that trampled on the principle of the inviolability of borders, and now it decides who has the right to self-determination and who is "not worthy" of it.

Putin: The West does not and never had the moral right to stutter about freedoms and democracy. They divide the world into their vassals and everyone else who, according to the plan of the Western racists, should join the list of "barbarians" and "savages". The Western elites are what they were, and have remained so - colonialist. We have never accepted and will never accept this political racism. What, if not racism, is Russophobia spreading in the world?

Putin: We are proud that in the 20th century it was our country that opened the anti-colonial movement.

Putin: The United States, together with the British, turned German cities into ruins, and this was done defiantly, without any need, in order to intimidate both our country and the whole world. Until now, the United States has actually occupied Germany, Japan, South Korea, and at the same time cynically calls them equal allies. Although it is known that their leaders are being followed, they install tracking devices not only in official, but also in private premises. The development of biological weapons, experiments on living people, they call noble medical research.

Putin: The goal of the United States is the deindustrialization of Europe, and European elites understand this. This is not even servility, but a direct betrayal of their peoples. The Anglo-Saxons turned to sabotage by organizing explosions on the Nord Stream pipelines.

Putin: by starting a sanctions blitzkrieg against the Russian Federation, the West believed that it could “build” the whole world on its own command. But such a prospect excites only political masochists and fans of other non-traditional forms of international relations. People cannot be accumulated with printed dollars and euros, and inflated, virtual capitalization cannot be heated at home. You can not feed people with papers.

Putin: there is every reason to believe that the West is not going to look for a constructive way out of the food and energy crisis. There are fears that they are ready to use other recipes that are familiar to them. The profits from World War II allowed the United States to impose the power of the dollar on the planet, and the imminent crisis of the 80s was overcome by appropriating the legacy and resources of the Soviet Union. Now they need at all costs to break Russia and other states that choose a sovereign course of development.

Putin: The West denies moral standards, religion, family. Do we really want Russia to have “parent number one, two, three” instead of “mom and dad” and that perversions that lead to degradation and extinction are imposed on children in schools, supposedly there are some genders, except for women and men? For us, this is unacceptable.

Putin: we have many like-minded people all over the world, and we see their support. A liberation movement against unipolar hegemony is developing all over the world. Today we are fighting to make dictatorship and despotism forever a thing of the past. A policy built on the exclusivity of someone and the suppression of other cultures and peoples is criminal. We must turn this shameful page. The collapse of Western hegemony that has begun is irreversible. It won't be like before.

Putin: The battlefield is for our people, for great historical Russia. We need the consolidation of the whole society. Our values ​​are humanity, mercy and compassion. As Ivan Ilyin said, "I believe in the spiritual forces of the Russian people, their spirit is my spirit, their fate is my destiny, their suffering is my sorrow, their flourishing is my joy."



Well there it is, folks. This is the end of the post-ww2 unipolar US hegemony over the entire planet, which it has spent the past 80 years ruthlessly abusing for self-gain and destroying the lives of millions of people in the process, and the birth of a new multi-polar world where the rights of individual nations will be respected, a world where international law will not merely be a token that is abused by the most powerful.

Those who are in power in the west today do not want to accept this and want to maintain this former hegemony. However, it is not and will not be accepted by a majority of the worlds countries or population. All they can do now to try to stop it is start a nuclear war - after the proxy war in Ukraine inevitably ends in Russia's favor.

Those whom are in power here in America, and in Europe, are little more than pathetic cowards whom want to prevent the birth of a new world. They will not succeed.


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Internet cables might be next.
hopefully not so soon so EU can still play a month or two of the D2 ladder reset.
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Sep 30 2022 11:41am
Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Sep 30 2022 12:46pm)
Not only that. It might sound like conspiracy theory but Correct me if I am wrong. I am using my limited knowledge of European History to make this statement.

This is just my personal opinion

First thing first the Nord stream pipes.
Although it is just speculation I believe that USA and Poland have a hand in it more than the Russians at the moment, however that doesn't mean I do not think the Russian might not have done it.
Reason why I feel Poland and USA have a hand or are more likely.

1. Biden and his gaffes in regards to Nord stream since February and CIA shared intelligence that there might be a Sabotage to the Germans.
2. Polish ex foreign or defense minister's comments on Twitter right after the accident.
3. I think think there is a pipe construction from Norway to Poland and this might provide energy to Europe as a alternative ? ( Correct me here)

On a Nation level.

1. Poland's enmity with Russia ( Historical )
2. Poland's enmity with Germans ( WW2 )
3. USA foreign policy of not allowing the Russians and Germans to be to tied up together especially in the energy sector.
4. USA influence in EU

If the Poles can get the Germans to pay reparations for another 100 years they will do so for the devastation they experience in WW2. They haven't got over it.
There is monetary interest in allowing the pipe to go through Poland from Norway to provide energy to Europe. ( Correct me if I am wrong).

Just my superficial view.


I think the real reason the pipeline went up in flames is because there are pro-war people afraid that the resolve for war with Russia via Ukraine will wane. In most democracies, there is only so far you can go against the people's wills before they will reject you. Over the last couple months we've seen massive protests in Germany, Czech Republic, other countries protesting high energy prices. People aren't stupid, they know where their gas came from and they remember what they used to pay vs what they are paying now. After awhile, the zeal for war (especially when it's not existential and not your own ethnicity fighting) will wane. The average European family is much more concerned about paying 200-300 euros a month for gas versus territorial concessions in the Donbas, a region they never been, have no family there, will never go to regardless of the war results.

That's why you see populists winning now. Italy was a wake up call. These pro-war forces realize that if politicians are pressured enough and threatened with being voted out, they may cave. So back to Germany, German industry was highly reliant on Russian gas. Even with them being able to fill their reserves to 90%+, it cost them something like 5-6x what they used to spend, a prohibitively high price which isn't sustainable long term even if it drops to 2x-3x. Governments across Europe are dumping tens of billions into subsidizing these energy hungry industrials and homes now but that can't last indefinitely because that's a form of QE and you need to do the opposite in times of inflation. So by subsidizing these you're further fueling inflation, but that's a tangent to my point. My point is, German politicians in the winter could potentially have caved depending on how bad the energy situation would be. By removing these pipelines as options now there wont be any of that. It doesn't matter the protests, it doesn't matter if they are threatened to be voted out because there's no direct Russia to Germany pipeline so there's no fallback or reason to change course on war-support.



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Quote (ofthevoid @ 1 Oct 2022 01:41)
I think the real reason the pipeline went up in flames is because there are pro-war people afraid that the resolve for war with Russia via Ukraine will wane. In most democracies, there is only so far you can go against the people's wills before they will reject you. Over the last couple months we've seen massive protests in Germany, Czech Republic, other countries protesting high energy prices. People aren't stupid, they know where their gas came from and they remember what they used to pay vs what they are paying now. After awhile, the zeal for war (especially when it's not existential and not your own ethnicity fighting) will wane. The average European family is much more concerned about paying 200-300 euros a month for gas versus territorial concessions in the Donbas, a region they never been, have no family there, will never go to regardless of the war results.

That's why you see populists winning now. Italy was a wake up call. These pro-war forces realize that if politicians are pressured enough and threatened with being voted out, they may cave. So back to Germany, German industry was highly reliant on Russian gas. Even with them being able to fill their reserves to 90%+, it cost them something like 5-6x what they used to spend, a prohibitively high price which isn't sustainable long term even if it drops to 2x-3x. Governments across Europe are dumping tens of billions into subsidizing these energy hungry industrials and homes now but that can't last indefinitely because that's a form of QE and you need to do the opposite in times of inflation. So by subsidizing these you're further fueling inflation, but that's a tangent to my point. My point is, German politicians in the winter could potentially have caved depending on how bad the energy situation would be. By removing these pipelines as options now there wont be any of that. It doesn't matter the protests, it doesn't matter if they are threatened to be voted out because there's no direct Russia to Germany pipeline so there's no fallback or reason to change course on war-support.


Ah thanks for the insight. Now I understand why German industries have been moving some of their operations to China for the past couple of months.
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Sep 30 2022 11:58am
Quote (Hamsterbaby @ 30 Sep 2022 19:47)
Ah thanks for the insight. Now I understand why German industries have been moving some of their operations to China for the past couple of months.


Probably, but please note it was Putin who first limited and then totally stopped sending gas.
Germans would gladly keep on buying it, but Mr Putin had another idea and decided to freeze europeans :(
Of course he wont success, we will simply reduce heating, maybe close some swimming pools and limit energy-based production plants, and that's it. Not the best year, but not tragical either.
We will be fine. Will Putin be? Im not that sure, his situation is getting worse every month.

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Sep 30 2022 12:00pm
Quote (chopstickz777 @ Sep 30 2022 12:12pm)
Make no mistake, the territories that have been annexed by Russia will NEVER again be a part of Ukraine.

It's over. If the west is idiotic enough to escalate by directly entering the war then we are going to see nuclear armageddon over Kherson, Donetsk, Luhansk and Zaphorizie, lol


LMAO, like Russia can stop Ukraine from liberating them without blowing up the world. Your country is weak.

Quote (babun1024 @ Sep 30 2022 12:24pm)
https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_110496.htm

The inofficial rule is a derivative of article 5 (see the link). By allowing a country with ongoing conflicts to enter they can automatically trigger article 5. In our example, if Ukraine is accepted in NATO then all NATO would be in a war vs. Russia because Ukraine is being the one attacked. All of the article 5 prerequisits would be fulfilled in an instant.


I didn't see anything in there that could lead me to that inference.
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Sep 30 2022 12:01pm
Quote (Ironfister @ 1 Oct 2022 01:58)
Probably, but please note it was Putin who first limited and then totally stopped sending gas.
Germans would gladly keep on buying it, but Mr Putin had another idea and decided to freeze europeans :(
Of course he wont success, we will simply reduce heating, maybe close some swimming pools and limit energy-based production plants, and that's it. Not the best year, but not tragical either.
We will be fine. Will Putin be? Im not that sure, his situation is getting worse every month.


Maybe ofthevoid will reply you.
You are too emotionally vested in this war to be pragmatic about this entire situation. Which I think I can understand based on my conversation with you since April.

This post was edited by Hamsterbaby on Sep 30 2022 12:01pm
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I am not sure if you have seen this interview with Jordan Peterson and Piers Morgan about Putin.
I personally thought it was quite sound.



This post was edited by Hamsterbaby on Sep 30 2022 12:08pm
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