When you're running a Gish Gallop, I'm not going to address everything you sling at the wall.

It was principally aimed at "or the 1975 removal of Whitlam for trying to join with the Bandung crowd. What's next, pretend the Plaza Accords didn't happen?" That's the thing with conspiracy theorists, they like to include shit with shades of truth in it and then pretend that refusal to accept all their premises/conclusions means they disregard the kernel of truth.



Your Dunning Krueger is showing.

This post was edited by Santara on Sep 29 2022 04:45pm

Conspirationnist is a term invented by mass medias for simple people like you, demon. Back in Hell along with Palasan now

This post was edited by Melatonina on Sep 29 2022 04:45pm

Sorry bud, even the 1975 coup against Australia has a wikipedia page. Of course it has the usual wE cAnT rEaLlY kNoW disclaimers, but it's mostly there.

Here's some Pilger for the narrative underpinnings: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/oct/23/gough-whitlam-1975-coup-ended-australian-independence

Edit: Don't have a good article for Plaza, but here's a good couple threads from a twitter commie: https://twitter.com/bidetmarxman/status/1564267348017938434

3 things isn't a gish gallop. It's context for your Teletubbies version of American actions and motivations in "allied" countries.

This post was edited by kusotarre1 on Sep 29 2022 04:55pm

Neither Ukraine or Russia, on their own, will surrender, Ukraine will ever be supplied and Russia has nuclear weapons. so how do you see this ending ??

I think we're starting to see the lines breaking in Ukraine's supplies of weapons, actually. The last two big "arms shipments" to Ukraine have been largely composed of promises of future production. Recently, we hear that Ukraine is getting 18 HIMARS. No, they are promised 18 HIMARS that have not yet been constructed, because America has already (dangerously, if they had any actual enemies) depleted it's own inventory of HIMARS platforms. We know that Canada has sent so many artillery shells to Ukraine that it is now ordering more from South Korea, as it lacks the ability to produce it's own in anywhere near sufficient numbers.

This piece by a British think tank covers some of these issues, with the expected spin: https://rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/return-industrial-warfare

Aside from that, how do I see this ending? I don't try to speculate too much on this, because I think Russia is a pretty incompetent power that has made numerous blunders over the course of this war and indeed over the past 8.5 years of this saga unfolding. With that caveat: I think eventually Russia wins and forces a hard capitulation from whoever is unlucky enough to inherit the ruins of a severely shrunken Ukrainian statelet. The US will not give up and continue to try to fund and arm them, but it will need to be done more covertly. Russia will focus on minimizing attacks into it's new territories or protected states, and try to find ways to offload the problems of many thousands of battle-hardened fascists flush with weapons and resentment into the EU.

How successful any of that will be is anyone's guess, as is this entire scenario.

What I am certain of, though, is that the US is unable to broker a peace because the US isn't politically or even procedurally able to sign on to *any* kind of deal, not just with regards to Ukraine but with regards to anything - Iran, climate, development funding, military procurement, or just today student debt relief. America isn't capable of agreeing to terms and enforcing them across multiple years for anything, either domestically or internationally.

Palasan First Account Possibly. Just my instinct.

https://forums.d2jsp.org/user.php?i=510628

Palasan Second Account

https://forums.d2jsp.org/user.php?i=1339184

Palasan is his third account as you can see recently on PaRD
I think he created this to comment on PaRD after getting warning due to a huge fight with Nolander.

He may make another new one soon.

This post was edited by Hamsterbaby on Sep 29 2022 10:59pm

I think this can somehow end if they do something like North and South Korea creating a demilitarization zone.

On top of it, the USA have to sign a security pact with Russia in front of the United Nations to not threaten the Russians, with Ukraine signing some sort of pact being neutral in all situations.

But not sure if that is ever going to happen.

Seems like Lyman is being encircled. The first encirclement of Russian-allied forces in this war and quite a preventable one even after the Kharkov counteroffensive of the past few weeks. It would be one thing if they were retreating as they did throughout the rest of this UA counteroffensive, but that doesn't seem to be the case.

Really have to wonder how deep Russian incompetence runs at this point. Did they think the defense would hold out until after all these shenanigans with referendums and such went by and reserves freed up experienced backline troops to move forward and reinforce? Gonna be interesting to see the analysis coming out of this.

Russia is making this much, much harder than it should have been. Why should any Russian put their trust in a government that allows Ukraine to have trains running machinery all over the place 7 months into this war?

This post was edited by kusotarre1 on Sep 29 2022 11:34pm

Maybe they were, or still are, hoping to conquer the rest of Ukraine? In that case, they would need UA's railroad infrastructure intact for their own logistics. Also, permanently destroying railroads from afar is actually not that easy. Rails are quite robust and easy to repair. If you have physical access to a railroad, you can use railroad ploughs, but the damage done by artillery is typically fixed within a few days.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Railroad_plough

They just need to knock out transformer stations once a week at each power plant.

It's trivially easy.