Gotta love the whole "orcs rampaging in Ukraine" is "merely pushback against imperialist America."

You said that the USA's aggressive first-use nuclear policy is due to having to defend other countries.

I point out that they have been undermining, spying on, stealing from and now attacking the infrastructure of those very countries.

You say this is irrelevant information, and now try to switch the topic back to familiar ground for you.

Yes, it's all over now, putin messed up for two decades and this was his last blow. It's all his fault, along with the terrible war crimes.
And he will lose this agression, will end up getting shot or behind bars, this will be an epic moment, and the victory of free world.

It will fall, so get good with the completely deprecated Russian propaganda, how dare you to defend looters & rapists. Sick, get help.

You do know that the Ukrainian government has added 13 year old girls to online kill lists, right?

this got me reading up on the warsaw pact and there are some significant differences between the nations within the warsaw pact and those within nato. the warsaw pact was essentially about ensuring russia had a number of vassal states? you could hardly say the same about the usa's influence on nato, france in particular

https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/soviets-put-brutal-end-to-hungarian-revolution
The problems in Hungary began in October 1956, when thousands of protesters took to the streets demanding a more democratic political system and freedom from Soviet oppression. In response, Communist Party officials appointed Imre Nagy, a former premier who had been dismissed from the party for his criticisms of Stalinist policies, as the new premier. Nagy tried to restore peace and asked the Soviets to withdraw their troops. The Soviets did so, but Nagy then tried to push the Hungarian revolt forward by abolishing one-party rule. He also announced that Hungary was withdrawing from the Warsaw Pact (the Soviet bloc’s equivalent of NATO).

On November 4, 1956, Soviet tanks rolled into Budapest to crush, once and for all, the national uprising. Vicious street fighting broke out, but the Soviets’ great power ensured victory. At 5:20 a.m., Hungarian Prime Minister Imre Nagy announced the invasion to the nation in a grim, 35-second broadcast, declaring: “Our troops are fighting. The Government is in place.” Within hours, though, Nagy sought asylum at the Yugoslav Embassy in Budapest. He was captured shortly thereafter and executed two years later. Nagy’s former colleague and imminent replacement, János Kádár, who had been flown secretly from Moscow to the city of Szolnok, 60 miles southeast of the capital, prepared to take power with Moscow’s backing.

You once again are Putin on the spin. You said aggressive, not me. I said ambiguous, because that's what it is.

Everybody spies on everybody. You say that like we're unique. The infrastructure attack is neither proven to be anyone's fault, nor am I inclined to believe the US has a sound reason to conduct it. There's the reason peddled by conspiracy addled Russian bots, but that doesn't fly with me.

You say that, but Europe hasn't been caught tapping Obama's or Trump's or Biden's phone. Nor has Europe worked behind America's back with another "ally" (one which the US launched a 'soft' coup against twice, btw, if we want to start talking about Australia) to scuttle large trade deals. Nor has Europe deployed a broad network of fascist cells to murder political opponents in America.

The list goes on and on. America has been an enemy of a sovereign Europe since it raced in to take over half the continent in the forties.

Cute characterization, but in reality it was a insurgency that flew the flag of the Nazi-allied regime from a decade earlier and one of the first things that started happening in this 'uprising for freedom and democracy' was pogroms against Jewish people and book burnings in the streets.

That article is a crime against humanity.

This post was edited by kusotarre1 on Sep 29 2022 02:26pm

*caught*

Meanwhile Israel has been caught spying on us and we are obviously their biggest benefactor.

"take over" half the continent in the forties. Lol, get a load of yourself.

Yeah, you know, caught doing the things you've been caught doing. Of course, 5 Eyes spies on lesser Americans, but that's to get around pesky laws that make that illegal to do purely domestically. Or maybe you think the Danes are just super duper good at intelligence.

Israel hasn't just been caught spying on, they shot a missile into the USS Liberty when you stepped out of line. They bombed Canadian peacekeepers, too. Israel is in a special position.

You quibble about language of 'take over' because you really have no response to the established historicity of Operation Gladio or the 1975 removal of Whitlam for trying to join with the Bandung crowd. What's next, pretend the Plaza Accords didn't happen?

These things cannot be reconciled with such fantastical notions as "America protects it's allies' interests" unless you are making the argument that these "allies" are too stupid to know what's good for them and have to be managed from Washington.