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Sep 29 2022 12:18pm
Quote (WiziLiCe @ Sep 29 2022 07:12pm)
Don't get me wrong, I agree with what you outlined. Im just commenting what i've seen argued in response to the video.


its a narrative which was provided in this thread from the get go, and commented on more then 7 years ago by intelligent americans (i think its the video around post #74? ish ? in this thread). it is picking up speed now in the public domain, probably as a consequence of people asking difficult questions.

if anyone has not watched the video in post #74, i still recommend you do so now.

anyway, here is another video, just watched it, its fantastic.



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Sep 29 2022 12:28pm
Quote (ferdia @ Sep 29 2022 11:18am)
its a narrative which was provided in this thread from the get go, and commented on more then 7 years ago by intelligent americans (i think its the video around post #74? ish ? in this thread). it is picking up speed now in the public domain, probably as a consequence of people asking difficult questions.

if anyone has not watched the video in post #74, i still recommend you do so now.

Or this article from John Pilger in the Guardian of all places from right after the Maidan coup: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/may/13/ukraine-us-war-russia-john-pilger

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Washington's role in Ukraine is different only in its implications for the rest of us. For the first time since the Reagan years, the US is threatening to take the world to war. With eastern Europe and the Balkans now military outposts of Nato, the last "buffer state" bordering Russia – Ukraine – is being torn apart by fascist forces unleashed by the US and the EU. We in the west are now backing neo-Nazis in a country where Ukrainian Nazis backed Hitler.

Having masterminded the coup in February against the democratically elected government in Kiev, Washington's planned seizure of Russia's historic, legitimate warm-water naval base in Crimea failed. The Russians defended themselves, as they have done against every threat and invasion from the west for almost a century.

But Nato's military encirclement has accelerated, along with US-orchestrated attacks on ethnic Russians in Ukraine. If Putin can be provoked into coming to their aid, his pre-ordained "pariah" role will justify a Nato-run guerrilla war that is likely to spill into Russia itself.
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#13203
Sep 29 2022 12:28pm
Quote (ferdia @ Sep 29 2022 12:18pm)
its a narrative which was provided in this thread from the get go, and commented on more then 14 years ago by intelligent americans (i think its the video around post #74? ish ? in this thread). it is picking up speed now in the public domain, probably as a consequence of people asking difficult questions.

if anyone has not watched the video in post #74, i still recommend you do so now.


Is it picking up speed in the public domain?

It seems that as the pro-western narrative shifted, this old narrative is quickly dismissed as Russian disinfo. I don't follow much pro-western media, but I do speak regularly to pro-western minded people. And that doesnt seem to be the case (the old narrative picking up speed).
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Sep 29 2022 12:37pm
Quote (WiziLiCe @ Sep 29 2022 11:28am)
Is it picking up speed in the public domain?

It seems that as the pro-western narrative shifted, this old narrative is quickly dismissed as Russian disinfo. I don't follow much pro-western media, but I do speak regularly to pro-western minded people. And that doesnt seem to be the case (the old narrative picking up speed).

FWIW, talking to people in my life in Canada who are apolitical or generally pro-Ukraine, not one of them believes that Russia bombed the pipeline.
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#13205
Sep 29 2022 12:40pm
This guy is a Russian bot right? Nobody can willingly be this ignorant.
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Sep 29 2022 12:54pm
Quote (WiziLiCe @ Sep 29 2022 07:28pm)
Is it picking up speed in the public domain?

It seems that as the pro-western narrative shifted, this old narrative is quickly dismissed as Russian disinfo. I don't follow much pro-western media, but I do speak regularly to pro-western minded people. And that doesnt seem to be the case (the old narrative picking up speed).


The main stream western narrative has not shifted whatsoever. what i am alluding to is that people, like joe rogan, are now confidently providing an alternate narrative to alot of people, that they may have feared to do months ago, and that this may result in a shift in the wider western narrative, noting the narrative originates in the US. The Q&A session from the other day (that was posted here) was aimed directly at western MSM. all of these counter arguments are based on grounded facts which it I hope may cause the world to pause before taking a further step.

As it stands anyone in my country that would have said what was said on joe rogans pod cast, would be deemed person-not-welcome. not even the president's wife in Ireland would survive saying this (feel free to google that story).

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Sep 29 2022 12:58pm
Quote (ferdia @ Sep 29 2022 11:18am)
its a narrative which was provided in this thread from the get go, and commented on more then 7 years ago by intelligent americans (i think its the video around post #74? ish ? in this thread). it is picking up speed now in the public domain, probably as a consequence of people asking difficult questions.

if anyone has not watched the video in post #74, i still recommend you do so now.

anyway, here is another video, just watched it, its fantastic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzgPJeYZaOU


That's a good video if you only want to understand the Russian side of things (which is important if you are only exposed to Western POVs)
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Sep 29 2022 01:05pm
Quote (kusotarre1 @ Sep 29 2022 01:04pm)
If you're talking about Cuba, very funny.


lol, America protects France while abducting French citizens in order to take over French companies and scuttling huge French submarine deals, just as it protects Germany while it explodes bombs on German infrastructure.

Good one.

No one who doesn't already believe America is God's gift to humanity believes this kind of stuff.


Stanislav Petrov in 1983 and Vasily Arkhipov in 1962.


I'm not biting on the rest of your tripe. Completely irrelevant to whether Russia is in the wrong or not.
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#13209
Sep 29 2022 01:10pm
Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Sep 29 2022 12:40pm)
This guy is a Russian bot right? Nobody can willingly be this ignorant.


The world is full of ignorant people. Case in point you, Santara, and many others.

It is the few voices of reason that are in the minority, and who are thought of as ignorant by the sheepified masses.

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Sep 29 2022 01:15pm
Quote (Santara @ Sep 29 2022 12:05pm)
Stanislav Petrov in 1983 and Vasily Arkhipov in 1962.

Even better, because both of these are instances which don't result from Soviet nuclear policy, but are human and computer errors.

America's use of weapons and open threats of use are driven by a nuclear policy that is a longstanding, carefully planned out series of decisions held mostly constant from admin to admin.

Quote (Santara @ Sep 29 2022 12:05pm)
I'm not biting on the rest of your tripe. Completely irrelevant to whether Russia is in the wrong or not.

Ah, so you get to frame the US's insane and apocalyptic nuclear policy as part of a benevolent worldwide framework supporting Freedom And Democracy, and if anyone pushes back on that naive understanding of American goals and two-day-old history it's irrelevant.

Convenient.

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