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Sep 29 2022 11:47am
Quote (thundercock @ Sep 29 2022 06:42pm)
I don't watch videos because most of it is just conspiracy garbage (especially from folks like Helical). Mind giving a summary?


It's not, you should def watch it
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Sep 29 2022 11:53am
briefly, the video in question parrots what we have been saying for months now

1. that nato moved ever eastwards
2. that ukraine is robin and russia is batman, and the west is trying to abduct robin (my anology was ex-wife, happy to divorce, just dont sleep with my enemy).
3. that america installed the ukraine government

i have been as brief as possible. I accept this is old ground.

This post was edited by ferdia on Sep 29 2022 11:54am
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Sep 29 2022 12:00pm
Quote (Melatonina @ Sep 29 2022 12:30pm)
It would be too long to write everything down here, you could just open it and discuss but instead you will just stay on your position because your fragile dont want to be proven wrong.

I also aint the one regurgitating on a constant basis the regular propaganda like you do. I mean I dont have a problem with people blindly blaming russia for everything, unless they are from a country who's doing worse, if we exclude the past months.


You're incapable of *proving* me wrong.

Quote (kusotarre1 @ Sep 29 2022 12:37pm)
Yes, that's the justification for maintaining a first-strike policy and it would almost make sense if the US had not, in addition to actually dropping nukes on cities, many times throughout history directly threatened other states with nuclear war. We also know that at multiple times the US has come very close to launching huge nuclear attacks against countries both with and without their own nuclear arsenals.

Russia, China, France, India and Pakistan and many others all have nuclear weapons. Only America maintains a policy of using them first. If the policy made sense, more countries would adopt that posture.

America maintains this policy because America believes it can win a nuclear war.


We also know when the USSR came very close to launching all out nuclear war.

Russia, China, India, and Pakistan don't extend an umbrella of nuclear protection to a litany of other countries like the US does, and France benefits from that nuclear umbrella so it can afford to have such a policy. The US on the other hand doesn't just protect itself with its nuclear arsenal, so being able to lend assurances to allies that we've got their backs means a purely self-defense policy posture isn't always sufficient for making those assurances. That's why the US maintains this policy, not because it believes it can "win" a nuclear war.
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Sep 29 2022 12:03pm
Quote (ferdia @ Sep 29 2022 11:53am)
briefly, the video in question parrots what we have been saying for months now

1. that nato moved ever eastwards
2. that ukraine is robin and russia is batman, and the west is trying to abduct robin (my anology was ex-wife, happy to divorce, just dont sleep with my enemy).
3. that america installed the ukraine government

i have been as brief as possible. I accept this is old ground.


+ Countries are free to decide upon their NATO allegience.
+ It is a lie that the west has not attempt at peaceful negotiations.
+ The west's 'provocation' is just an excuse for a pre-existing imperialist ambition.
+ US backed coup is Russian propaganda.

Is what i've heard from 'informed' users in response to the video posted
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Sep 29 2022 12:04pm
Quote (Santara @ Sep 29 2022 11:00am)
We also know when the USSR came very close to launching all out nuclear war.

If you're talking about Cuba, very funny.

Quote (Santara @ Sep 29 2022 11:00am)
Russia, China, India, and Pakistan don't extend an umbrella of nuclear protection to a litany of other countries like the US does, and France benefits from that nuclear umbrella so it can afford to have such a policy. The US on the other hand doesn't just protect itself with its nuclear arsenal, so being able to lend assurances to allies that we've got their backs means a purely self-defense policy posture isn't always sufficient for making those assurances. That's why the US maintains this policy, not because it believes it can "win" a nuclear war.

lol, America protects France while abducting French citizens in order to take over French companies and scuttling huge French submarine deals, just as it protects Germany while it explodes bombs on German infrastructure.

Good one.

No one who doesn't already believe America is God's gift to humanity believes this kind of stuff.
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Sep 29 2022 12:09pm
Quote (WiziLiCe @ Sep 29 2022 07:03pm)
+ Countries are free to decide upon their NATO allegience.
+ It is a lie that the west has not attempt at peaceful negotiations.
+ The west's 'provocation' is just an excuse for a pre-existing imperialist ambition.
+ US backed coup is Russian propaganda.

Is what i've heard from 'informed' users in response to the video posted


yes, countries are free to decide upon their nato allegience. just like canada is free to join in nuclear partnership with china, and install chinese nukes in canada, aimed at the US.
to clarify: ukraine tried peaceful negotiations. there is 1 confirmed source that england told ukraine not to attempt negotiations with russia. if someone can find something similar (i.e. a confirmed source) from the US, great (i have not located same).
no, at all times russia told the west ukraine was their red line. this is very well documented.
no, there is ample proof the US were instrumental in the 2014 upheaval. this is easily retrievable from a variety of sources.

i am not wasting an hour linking you all the references. you can google it, its not hidden.
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Sep 29 2022 12:09pm
https://www.businessinsider.com/number-of-russians-fleeing-draft-bigger-1st-invasion-force-uk-2022-9

The number of Russians fleeing the country to evade Putin's draft is likely bigger than the original invasion force, UK intel says
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Quote (duffman316 @ Sep 29 2022 07:09pm)
https://www.businessinsider.com/number-of-russians-fleeing-draft-bigger-1st-invasion-force-uk-2022-9

The number of Russians fleeing the country to evade Putin's draft is likely bigger than the original invasion force, UK intel says


i would easily believe that.
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Sep 29 2022 12:12pm
Quote (ferdia @ Sep 29 2022 12:09pm)
yes, countries are free to decide upon their nato allegience. just like canada is free to join in nuclear partnership with china, and install chinese nukes in canada, aimed at the US.
to clarify: ukraine tried peaceful negotiations. there is 1 confirmed source that england told ukraine not to attempt negotiations with russia. if someone can find something similar (i.e. a confirmed source) from the US, great (i have not located same).
no, at all times russia told the west ukraine was their red line. this is very well documented.
no, there is ample proof the US were instrumental in the 2014 upheaval. this is easily retrievable from a variety of sources.

i am not wasting an hour linking you all the references. you can google it, its not hidden.


Don't get me wrong, I agree with what you outlined. Im just commenting what i've seen argued in response to the video.
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Sep 29 2022 12:16pm
Quote (kusotarre1 @ Sep 29 2022 08:04pm)
If you're talking about Cuba, very funny.


lol, America protects France while abducting French citizens in order to take over French companies and scuttling huge French submarine deals, just as it protects Germany while it explodes bombs on German infrastructure.

Good one.

No one who doesn't already believe America is God's gift to humanity believes this kind of stuff.


I'd rather keep north korea and saudia arabia than thoses arrogants fatties tbh
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