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Sep 28 2022 01:19pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Sep 28 2022 11:58am)
I already did, in the other thread:

And as I said in the other thread, these points are a combination of already happening so they change nothing (1 and 2) and wishcasting (there will not be a coup against Putin, or against Xi, or against Maduro, keep dreaming).

This new baltic pipeline carries 10 billion cubic meters per year. NS1+2 could carry up to 110 billion cubic meters per year.

Like... this is insane thinking lol

Quote (Ironfister @ Sep 28 2022 11:58am)
The Kremlin understands that Europe needs about two more years for this to happen

It will take longer than two years and even if it did the gas would be prohibitively expensive and make European exports far too expensive to compete globally.

The only way Europe avoids some large measure of deindustrialization at this point is a resumption of gas from Russia, there's no alternative.

This post was edited by kusotarre1 on Sep 28 2022 01:22pm
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVXzwnU1H6U


thanks for posting that
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Sep 28 2022 02:30pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Sep 28 2022 08:39pm)
While the bolded is true, it also applies to Russia. Their invasions of Finland in 1939, Czechoslovakia in 1968 and Chechnia in 1999 all hapened under the pretext of false flag attacks. The latter facilitated Putin's rise to power.



Scholz is quiet on everything, all the damn time. He's a pathetic weakling, a non-entity. Let's ponder from the opposite angle: what would the German government gain from being one of the early movers in the blame game? Nothing, absolutely nothing. Imho, their silence doesn't tell us much of anything, one way or the other. The only thing we can deduce with certainty from their silence is that they don't have hard proof for Russian responsibility.


true, but didnt the chechnya scumbags attack dagestan first? and then it was decided that some "extra motivation" would be nice? (iirc fsb agents even got caught with the bombs but released lol)

anyway, none of the stuff on both sides included blowing up your own multi billion resource asset and bargaining chip

the current silence is disgusting weakness, these cucks in berlin let anything happen to them

aside from the blame game massive action would be required, send our own navy, experts, make a public announcement that "we will do everything in our power...."

they are so weak that they cant even do this standard stuff

i mean technically we are almost at war with russia by supplying and training enemy troops

if this sabotage was really done by russia we almost there at full escalation imo

withholding resources is one thing, okay cool, but blowing up critical supply infrastructure is an act of war, i think we can all agree on that
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Sep 28 2022 02:41pm
Quote (JohnnyMcCoy @ Sep 28 2022 09:30pm)
true, but didnt the chechnya scumbags attack dagestan first? and then it was decided that some "extra motivation" would be nice? (iirc fsb agents even got caught with the bombs but released lol)

anyway, none of the stuff on both sides included blowing up your own multi billion resource asset and bargaining chip

the current silence is disgusting weakness, these cucks in berlin let anything happen to them

aside from the blame game massive action would be required, send our own navy, experts, make a public announcement that "we will do everything in our power...."

they are so weak that they cant even do this standard stuff

i mean technically we are almost at war with russia by supplying and training enemy troops

if this sabotage was really done by russia we almost there at full escalation imo

withholding resources is one thing, okay cool, but blowing up critical supply infrastructure is an act of war, i think we can all agree on that


Not an act of war when Gazprom essentially own both pipelines, through subsidiary companies.
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Sep 28 2022 02:43pm
Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Sep 28 2022 10:41pm)
Not an act of war when Gazprom essentially own both pipelines, through subsidiary companies.


its like 51% gazprom iirc, there are billions of our money in there as well
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Sep 28 2022 02:45pm
Quote (JohnnyMcCoy @ 28 Sep 2022 22:30)
true, but didnt the chechnya scumbags attack dagestan first? and then it was decided that some "extra motivation" would be nice? (iirc fsb agents even got caught with the bombs but released lol)

anyway, none of the stuff on both sides included blowing up your own multi billion resource asset and bargaining chip

the current silence is disgusting weakness, these cucks in berlin let anything happen to them

aside from the blame game massive action would be required, send our own navy, experts, make a public announcement that "we will do everything in our power...."

they are so weak that they cant even do this standard stuff

i mean technically we are almost at war with russia by supplying and training enemy troops

if this sabotage was really done by russia we almost there at full escalation imo

withholding resources is one thing, okay cool, but blowing up critical supply infrastructure is an act of war, i think we can all agree on that

Well, the thing is that the attack occurred in international waters and destroyed an infrastructure which is technically Russian property. Even if we had hard proof for Russian responsibility, it wouldn't be enough to justify NATO declaring war on Russia. So in this sense, blowing up his own dead investment is a risk-averse way for Putin to send a message to Europe that he is capable of destroying critical infrastructure if things escalate further.

Like I've stressed before: it currently look as if Europe will get through this winter without Russian gas - but there is no more safety margin left; if the pipelines to Norway got taken out, we would be completely fucked.

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Quote (JohnnyMcCoy @ Sep 28 2022 11:43pm)
its like 51% gazprom iirc, there are billions of our money in there as well


Puppets dont have money
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