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Sep 28 2022 11:42am
Quote (kusotarre1 @ Sep 28 2022 08:39pm)
It's so obvious that America did this that Anne Appelbaum's husband, former defense minister of Poland and current ranking Polish MEP tweeted out thanks to America.

But what can you expect from people who believed stories about the Ghost of Kiev, or still maintained that Ukraine was bombing the ZNPP after Ukraine publicly said they were.

This sort of denialism when presented with something this clear cut is precisely why the US believes it can do this. It's not just d2jsp posters who think like this, it's every 'journalist' who is allowed to work at major publications and most politicians in what you might consider respectable parties.

People talking about how the US wouldn't do this because it would threaten the future of NATO are themselves proof that the US doing this does not threaten NATO.


Its hilarious how Russian shills like you mix Baltic sea pipes explosions' with Ghost of Kiev and other things that has nothing to do with each other and find some type of "underground secret plan" connection LOL
Like seriously are your handlers pushing such a low quality content on you to spread?
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Sep 28 2022 11:59am
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It's so obvious that America did this that Anne Appelbaum's husband, former defense minister of Poland and current ranking Polish MEP tweeted out thanks to America.

But what can you expect from people who believed stories about the Ghost of Kiev, or still maintained that Ukraine was bombing the ZNPP after Ukraine publicly said they were.

This sort of denialism when presented with something this clear cut is precisely why the US believes it can do this. It's not just d2jsp posters who think like this, it's every 'journalist' who is allowed to work at major publications and most politicians in what you might consider respectable parties.

People talking about how the US wouldn't do this because it would threaten the future of NATO are themselves proof that the US doing this does not threaten NATO.


no idea if details will ever see the light of day. would love to see some real investigative journalism here either way from the main stream media.
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Sep 28 2022 12:03pm
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no idea if details will ever see the light of day. would love to see some real investigative journalism here either way from the main stream media.

The mainstream media who did a complete 180 on Azov being Nazis as soon as Russia invaded and who breathlessly reported for a month that Russians were bombing their own nuclear power plant?

Ain't happening. You're just going to have to look at the balance of interests here and make a provisional stand until whoever replaces Julian Assange leaks some document in 10 years time.

As I said in the other thread: A pipeline that Russia can turn on and off at will is enormous leverage. A dead pipeline no one can use is no leverage at all.

America did this, and I think even the people denying it know they did it.
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Sep 28 2022 12:04pm
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The mainstream media who did a complete 180 on Azov being Nazis as soon as Russia invaded and who breathlessly reported for a month that Russians were bombing their own nuclear power plant?

Ain't happening. You're just going to have to look at the balance of interests here and make a provisional stand until whoever replaces Julian Assange leaks some document in 10 years time.

As I said in the other thread: A pipeline that Russia can turn on and off at will is enormous leverage. A dead pipeline no one can use is no leverage at all.

America did this, and I think even the people denying it know they did it.


I don't see any proof, just kremlin propaganda LOL
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Sep 28 2022 12:10pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Sep 28 2022 06:32pm)
I think you're really overinterpreting Biden's statement from that press conference. First, he most likely alluded to the possibility of the US really applying the screws on Germany in secret backroom talks if they don't fall in line regarding Nord Stream 2. Second, he was being unspecific on purpose. There was clear dissent between two major allies on the issues back when this press conference took place, and the reporters were drilling into it. Biden had a motive to publicly downplay this dissent without giving details, so he went for a generic "we can end it if necessary". What Biden said was basically the equivalent of Trump saying "it's gonna be YUGE, believe me".

Additionally, I think you're underestimating how much risk such an operation carries for the U.S. in the unlikely case that they get caught. The war is going much better from their perspective than from the perspective of their Western European allies. They might stand to gain if Ukraine refuses to concede Donbass and sign a peace treaty this winter, while Western Europe would benefit from this war ending as soon as possible. At the moment, both the U.S. and the EU have convergents interests in stopping Russia's offense asap and bringing Ukraine into as strong a position as possible before peace talks - but once the peace talks begin, interests will diverge again. They need the Western European publics to stand firm to achieve their geopolitical goals.

All of this would go right out of the window if the U.S. was caught blowing up the pipeline. Likewise, European willingness to fund the rebuilding of Ukraine after the war would imho take a big hit. And last but not least, it would prompt a ton of people to embrace the Russian narrative that the U.S. had deliberately pushed Europe into this war because they want to divide Europe and Russia out of selfish motives.




There are also two pipelines directly connecting Norwegian gas fields to Germany:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europipe_I
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europipe_II

So as long as Russia isn't sending gas to Europe, Germany and Poland are in a similar position right now. Except that Poland's Baltic Pipe is much more accessible for Russian sabotage operations.


what you say about risks is true, but you are a normal, sane person

we are talking about ultra aggressive strategists in washington that dont care and have used massive lies or false flags in the past

gulf of tonkin, the dead infants in kuwait, weapons of mass destruction in iraq, they have used ridiculous lies to kill hundreds of thousands before, they will do similar shit again to push their agenda on others

the mass media is already pushing the "poootin did it" narrative and looking at the examples i provided this narrative only needs to hold up for a while, there were zero consequences.....

our own government is AWFULLY quiet, i checked the twitter accounts of olaf scholz, nothing

only the EU has bothered to make the standard statement here, why is that?

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Sep 28 2022 12:18pm
Yep. As long as America doesn't come out and publicly own up to it, and documents showing they did it stay secret for at least a year (generously, it'd probably be fine if they dropped in 6 months) there will be essentially no consequences.

America was caught tapping the phones of EU leaders - nothing.

America scuttled a French sub deal worth 70 billion - nothing.

America bombed these pipelines because it benefits them and because it doesn't have any consequences to fear.
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Sep 28 2022 12:23pm
Quote (kusotarre1 @ Sep 28 2022 09:18pm)
Yep. As long as America doesn't come out and publicly own up to it, and documents showing they did it stay secret for at least a year (generously, it'd probably be fine if they dropped in 6 months) there will be essentially no consequences.

America was caught tapping the phones of EU leaders - nothing.

America scuttled a French sub deal worth 70 billion - nothing.

America bombed these pipelines because it benefits them and because it doesn't have any consequences to fear.


"bombed these pipelines"

LOL'D SO HARD THANKS BRO, YOUR IMBECILITY NEVER CEASES TO AMAZE ME
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Sep 28 2022 12:31pm
:banana: 8th round of sanctions against Russia has been announced :banana:
-7.5 billion euros income for Russia from exports
Total ban on raw materials export that can be used by Russia to build aircraft/aircraft parts
EU Citizens are no longer allowed to take up managerial or any executive positions in Russian companies
New sanctions against individuals and companies which have helped Russia evade sanctions
Cap on price of Russian oil to be discussed officially and proper legal framework to be created for that

1.1 Billion dollars worth of military aid will be given to Ukrane in the next 2-3 weeks including 18 new HIMARS systems.


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Sep 28 2022 12:34pm
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Who they? Name them and then shame them LOL. Exactly you can't, always trying to present a Banana peel as banana split ice cream xD
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