You are a liar everyone knows that its other way around as everyone wants to live in Russia and be part of real democracy resurrection happening there.
DONT LIE!

This post was edited by Palasan on Sep 27 2022 03:04pm

And so are European firms, but even now we see that precarious situation faltering as US sanctions on China are forcing the long-term destruction of core EU companies such as ASML. Once America is successful in forcing China to abandon it's attempts at peaceful reunification of Taiwan and resorting to a blockade, compliant EU leaders will, just like with the successful US provocations in Ukraine, fall in line and impose a suicidal sanctions regime against China, just as they did with Russia.


They're different situations. Russia is important because it supplies the EU with energy that the EU cannot easily or cheaply enough replace. Recently, Scholz met with the UAE trying to get more LNG shipments and was able to get only a single tanker shipment, for example. Everyone has a projection about when the crisis will hit, this year or next, but the fact is it's already hitting now. EU companies are demanding action on the energy crisis already, and in response the leaders of their countries are standing around doing nothing as the USA bombs infrastructure that can save the EU economy. It doesn't ultimately matter if Russia is having a net loss of people. Gas fields cannot migrate, titanium and aluminum smelters won't be allowed to migrate.

China is both an exporter of goods to the EU (good luck rectifying *that* supply chain) and an enormous market for the EU to expand into (good luck replacing that market, which is for example Volkswagen', Mercedes' and BMW's biggest market, among many others). The damage caused when the US cucks the EU into sanctions on China will be much, much worse and much more immediate than the Russia sanctions have been.

Just because China wants "reunification" with Taiwan doesn't mean Taiwan wants it, and it doesn't take the US being a hegemon to see that "reunification" with China is absolutely NOT in Taiwan's best interests. I mean really, does the 6th freest country in the world wish to be governed by the 158th freest country?

Thats a damn lie, China has the most freedom in the world. You have been manipulated by NATO masters.

Who cares, we're talking about the damage to the EU and the American goals of damaging the EU for it's own benefit.

Being morally right is something Americans get to do because it doesn't affect them when Europeans are made unemployed and hungry. Unfortunately for Europeans, their leaders think in exactly the same way. Scholz or Baerbock or Truss will happily throw millions of their people into poverty because they'll be just fine getting some job at the Atlantic Council or HRW or something.

Its obvious that Taiwanese people want a referendum and unite with China, but Taiwanese Nazi regime and NATO Masters are killing those who speak out and are telling the truth

So whats our endgame picture now?

Russia is finally doing what I was anticipating before the war, solidifying their hold on areas and annexing land instead of trying to storm deeper into Ukraine. We're coming up on winter and the US and EU economies are in recession with an energy crisis, while Russia is mobilizing a larger military force. There is no realistic support for backing Ukraine in trying to attack into the Russian held separatist regions, and Russia still holds all the potential for escalation in response. Much of west Ukraine has been almost entirely untouched by the conflict and has a green light to join the EU, but the EU is scrambling to figure out how they won't freeze when it starts snowing.

So what comes next?

What both of you are trying to do is turn this into a moralistic argument because the fundamental material aspects of this gambit are becoming increasingly clear, even to normies.

Example: https://oilprice.com/Energy/Natural-Gas/Europe-Faces-An-Exodus-Of-Energy-Intensive-Industries.html




Or this: https://www.irishexaminer.com/business/economy/arid-40968869.html







Or this (machine translation): https://www.handelsblatt.com/technik/it-internet/wirtschaftspolitik-immer-mehr-deutsche-firmen-bauen-ihre-standorte-in-den-usa-aus/28697464.html



Given that we're witnessing the exodus of major European industries from the EU, given that we're seeing the US nearly-openly engage in the physical destruction of joint German-RF infrastructure projects that could mitigate this, of course apologists for this behaviour must shift away from the material and towards talking about fake things no one cares about like 'democracy'.

I think you're being hyperbolic here. Saying the US is deliberately harming their biggest trading partner for some small gains isn't a reasoned take. It may be a consequence of actions taken, but not deliberate, and Europe gets to make their own choices.

Very true democracy must be banned, I don't see why it even exists or what someone is trying to achieve in holding elections and stuff.