It works both ways.

The fact that people don't know that the economy was good under Trump, or that his administration pioneered Operation Warp Speed, or that job growth was substantial, all boils down to the fact that most media outlets refused to report on them.

I'm not surprised that 45% don't know about Hunter Biden's alleged misdeeds, because the media openly crushed the story based on flimsy, unsubstantiated, and later proven false allegations that it was Russian disinfo. And I wouldn't be surprised if that flipped a few votes, because it's inconceivable that Joe wouldn't have known, or that these corporations were investing millions without some expectation of return on investment.

You shouldnt take thor at face value.

He knows he is lying, he just wants to destroy people he doesnt like.

I disagree that this is a failure of the media. Trump had a new scandal every week and there's only so much time in a day, and as a result Trump got away with a ton of things that no other administration in history would have gotten away with, because the media constantly had to switch to the new stupid and corrupt thing Trump did.

The other side of that coin is that the media has exactly zero time to talk about anything good.

Now add that Trump's handling of the media was garbage, basically hiring insane people to speak for his administration, and his own personal addresses being inane ramblings, and you have a very difficult case to make if you want to say that the media is at fault for not telling people how amazing the Trump economy was.

According to his supporters Trump was masterfully manipulating the media, and yet he couldn't get them to cover good things at all? While being the president? While having three news stations (Fox, OANN, NewsMax) ready to suck his wiener at every press conference? Yeah no lol

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Feb 11 2021 12:06pm

During the Gulf War (90-91) we had precisely 9 channels. 3 of them reported news. We weren't particularly interested in nonstop coverage of it. Keep in mind, there was no "Fox News". What did we do when we didn't like that one "6 o'clock news" broadcast was the Gulf War show? We changed the channel. The other news sources reported different things. This was actually how they competed. Typically, one of the sources was 90% local (to the county) reporting with 5% state reporting and the other 5% dedicated to national/world news. The "Gulf War Show" was almost entirely world news, and the latest war was great ratings. The third channel was a moderate mix.

What do I see right now? The entire media wants to report the exact same stories, ad-nauseum. If I don't like what one source is reporting (not interested, burned out, etc.) then I'm screwed.

Why? Because it's not journalism.

It's not that it's not journalism. It's that it's profit-driven journalism. The coverage you are describing was back in the day when news stations were expected not to be for profit and was essentially their way to pay for exclusive rights to the air waves. They were allowed to use it all the other times of day and they would then run a news station dedicated to journalism exclusively.

This mostly changed in the late 90's early 2000's when under Clinton and early Bush they stripped regulations against mergers and let large companies run wild.

This also ignores that Trump was constantly making errors that would have gotten literally any other president removed from office. The unemployment numbers are good? Oh, well, I guess that just makes it fine that he made illegal demands of a state to overturn their election. Yep. Sure.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Feb 11 2021 12:18pm

Can't let you get away with this falsehood. It's not journalism. When 1 outlet releases a report, then every other outlet reports on that report, there was exactly 1 example of "journalism" occurring. That's the initial report.

It's not journalism at all. Not for profit or anything else. Endless reporting on Trump's tweets? Trump was one of the most popular users of Twitter (and facebook) in the history of the platform(s). Everyone could see it for themselves. Faux outrage over crass words isn't "journalism".

Your assertion is that nobody could report about Biden or anything positive regarding the Trump Administration because there were too many "scandals". No, a mean tweet isn't a scandal, nor is it news or journalism. At this point, the vast majority of MSM (tv news) is a massive circle jerk of a dozen stories that are reported and rereported by everyone until audience polling shows people want something new. It's no more "News" or "Journalism" than any other TV show.

This post was edited by InsaneBobb on Feb 11 2021 12:26pm

Wait, was it one journalism, or zero journalisms? You're not being consistent.

Regardless, I think it's still journalism if you are reporting on something that others are reporting on. In many cases it would be irresponsible to ignore it because others are reporting on it.

1 report taking up a combined 10,000 hours worth of television time is "zero journalism".

Let's go back to some stone-age tech: The Printing Press. When you read an actual newspaper (yes, they still exist!) the front page news tended to be 90% original reporting. The papers would compete to find dirt on those they hated, good things about those they liked, and they'd run their original work. Would the paper cover the reports of other papers? Sure! As you said, it'd be irresponsible not to. Where? Somewhere near the last page of the corresponding section of the paper. Why? They were competitors, they weren't seeking to glorify their competitor, and they paid their own journalists to report on stories and developments.

Again, no "Journalism" in the MSM. If they were interested in Journalism, they wouldn't be reporting about tweets. It's also why they've set up the "Impeachment Conviction Trial" as a Superbowl style event, with play by plays and the works. They aren't reporting on Biden, nobody even KNOWS what's in the majority of the 29 EOs, nothing. Trump's out. The "journalism" is still a 24/7 Trump show. This forum? 24/7 Trump show. Attempts to even discuss the current actions of the Biden Administration? "You're just a Trumptard who's mad they lost!!" What? I don't give people free rent in my head. Trump's out. I spend 5 minutes at the end of the day figuring out what the results of the show trial are for the day, and call it good. Biden is President. The Biden Administration is in charge and, unlike the Trump Administration, is actually doing things. I want to know the things they're doing. All the things! Where's the reporting?

Anyhow, I'll leave it at that. You can justify how a circle jerk is "Journalism" all you want. I'll redirect you to the Hub rather than PaRD if that's what you actually think.

Except the MSM breaks stories all the time, IceMage has made a habit of pointing out MSM outlets or "fake news" breaking important stories all the time as a counter example to people making the kind of claims you are now. and you are exaggerating the number of TV hours covering any individual story. 10,000 hours? lol