heinrich feels brutalized by your assessment. it's a shame he doesn't understand how tens of millions felt brutalized by his ancestor and don't want to hear his insidious rants trying to recreate a reich

Islamic scripture and tradition is much more politically minded than Christianity.

Destroying water supplies was part of the plan of US iraq war 2.
Ghot is your father or something like this ?

gotta love how simple minded people resort to 'well it must have hurt your feelings' when you point out their arrogant, ignorant, simplistic, and borderline racist assumptions about whole cultures, that disregard the very circumstances they used just minutes before to deflect blame from their empire. must be a funny world where everything is just black or white - especially if that can switch in an instant depending on which narrative you currently want to defend...

anti-intellectualism in a nutshell really.

Which part of my post seeks to absolve the USA of any of the mess they've created in the past couple of decades?

oh that's right none of it does and you're just practicing against strawmen without even the gumption to @ me lmao.



actually i'm ghots daddy. one time he even told me he was going to move out of my basement and never talk to me again, like any rebellious son is known to do.










you're literally notorious for calling others triggered or butthurt when you dont have a point to fluff out your posts. the irony contained in this post has more density than an Auschwitz bunkbed.



scripture certainly. didnt stop christains from ignoring that scripture to have catholic vs protestant wars for control of the religion just as Islam is doing now.

if anything it shows the lack of importance scripture has on warring against rival factions. humans are tribal even with religion to a fault.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Oct 10 2019 09:56am

probably the part where you said that most of the middle east's modern problems have nothing to do with the USA. oh, and of course the part where you admitted 'some' blame, but then immediately pointed the fingers at 'europe', as if there was a similar share of blame for the current situation between them. oh, and maybe the part where you acted like all middle easterners are simply an uncultured mass. oh, almost forgot the one where you acted like the CIA's actions can not be blamed on america - i mean we all know it's just a rogue entity with no national affiliation, right?

other than that, hardly anything...

Inject a handful of filthy rich capitalists into a population that's otherwise dirt poor and underdeveloped, and you are almost guaranteed to get various groups of people fighting each other while those rich people sit back and let it happen like it's a game of chess.

That's basically what happened in the ME -- and what would have happened regardless of the USA's interventions -- and what thesnipa was referring to. I'm not really sure why you're so defensive about that, considering that it doesn't have anything to do with Islam itself.

I personally don't agree with diminishing the USA's mistakes in how they deal with the Middle-East (i.e. they simply should never have gotten involved in the first place), but that does not mean that they're responsible for all of it. It does make them largely responsible for the past two decades of terrorism.

This post was edited by Leevee on Oct 10 2019 10:14am

i thought i was clear but i can add some water if it makes your eyes water.

the greatest source of turmoil in the ME in the last 100 or so years is the creation of Israel. made necessary because of Europeans (germans) then largely facilitated by Europeans (britains).

the other greatest issue in order of magnitude is the rapid culturalization of the region from oil money (again, anthropology has this well documented) and the religious jockying for position intra-Islam. neither of which are predominately American by cause.

America plays a role in arming the Taliban, playing some of the regional foes against eachother for economic gain through OPEC deals and arms sales, and we're in part responsible for the fallout in Syria and the droves of migrants that created.

the middle east was a broken down crack whore when we showed up, we just kicked it, repeatedly. there, have some more language you can take umbridge with if that suits you instead of basic historical facts.



thus my "feelers" comment. he has a problem with me language, not the facts. then when i pointed it out he deflects and still doesnt address the facts. havent even posted at him in weeks, not sure why he's still sore back there.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Oct 10 2019 10:13am

not only didn't i comment on islam at all, my whole point was that his 'uncultured (not 'poor and underdeveloped', there is a distinction) masses' comment lacks any insight (not just regarding the history and politics of the region, but also the definition of cultures) and nuance, and oozes with american arrogance and an entirely undeserved superiority complex.



doubling down on your offensive anti-intellectualism doesn't make your boring, breitbart quality takes any edgier - or true for that matter.
also, someone who gets their panties in a twist over me calling an individual's stupid statements 'retarded', now acting like it's totally unreasonable to point out that calling hundreds of millions 'uncultured' is simplistic and dumb, is pretty fucking rich... here's a clue: it's not your language that is the problem, it's the idiotic and simplistic world view that's behind it. yes, you are offensively ignorant and hilariously even proud of it.

but hey, what else should i have expected from someone who introduced themselves by claiming "kurds worship crosses"...

i said uncultured. you got mad. i explained what i meant by uncultured, with examples of the types of culture i was speaking of (hint hint, i didnt mean vacations to Paris). leevee agrees that i was being clear about what i meant.

your response is that i'm ignorant. ok. so the middle east didn't rapidly industrialize on the back of oil money? because that's pretty basic reality, and a known volatile environment to anthropologists.

as to the (and get ready because i'm about to teach you what hte term you've been misusing actually means) false equivalency. you calling someone with a standard IQ "retarded" isn't the same as me calling someone uncultured because their society lacked aspects of culture. additionally mentally challenged people can't in many cases stand up to that type of adverse labeling theory being used, whereas middle easterners did 9-11 and held off the might of the US military for decades now, so are more than capable of standing up for themselves.

it's clear to literally everyone but you that you got butthurt over a single word in a paragraph long post. and havent even touched the timelines or facts ive been spouting post after post. keep preaching to your own choir of one with buzzword laden nonsense tho. that'll teach me.