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Sep 27 2022 01:29pm
Quote (Djunior @ Sep 27 2022 02:05pm)
What y'all fail to see is that every escalation leads to further escalation cuz Russia ain't putting up with this. That's not my fault, I'm just pointing it out.

BTW remember Russian demands were called nonstarters back in January? Negotiations =/= aggression right? But they got the finger


Russia is responsible for Russia's behavior. Russia has decided that a war of aggression is the proper course of action to not getting its way. The USA is not the only country to meddle in Ukraine. When a rapist rapes, you blame the rapist, not the clothing choices of the victim. When rampaging orcs rape and kill their neighbors, you blame them, not the choices of its victims in who to be friends with.

Quote (chopstickz777 @ Sep 27 2022 02:18pm)
The only one projecting is you :rofl:

I wonder if you call random people irl russian trolls for disagreeing with you. Would be pretty funny


Spoken in true Dunning-Krueger fashion.
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Sep 27 2022 01:31pm
Quote (babun1024 @ Sep 27 2022 12:08pm)
Russia is interested in creating political chaos in EU and maybe creating a statement for Putin's political adversaries in the sense "Even if we wanted to we can't open the pipelines right now".

That doesn't make sense.

Russia doesn't want to see 'political chaos' in the EU just for the sake of seeing 'political chaos' in the EU. It wants a political reorientation in the EU in order to pry the EU away from America so it can continue to do business with the EU. This means that keeping the pipeline as an option to sell gas through is a priority for Russia, as it is an enormous carrot to dangle in front of freezing Europeans watching their industries flee the EU. It allows Russia to say "turn this back on and save yourselves."

America just took that away. America benefits.
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Sep 27 2022 01:34pm
Japan demands apology from Russia after consul ‘blindfolded, restrained’


Japan demanded a formal apology from Russia — and threatened retaliation — after claiming its diplomat was “blindfolded and restrained” while being interrogated by the federal security service over suspected espionage.

Japan’s Foreign Minister Yoshimasa Hayashi said Tatsunori Motoki, a consul based in the eastern Russian city of Vladivostok, had been subjected to a “coercive interrogation” at the hands of security operatives.

The security agency, known as the FSB, said Monday that Motoki was declared persona non grata and ordered to leave Russia after he was caught “red-handed” receiving secret information on the effects of Western sanctions on the economic situation in Russia’s far east.

It said the classified information, which also concerned Russia’s cooperation with an unnamed Asia-Pacific country, had been obtained in return for a “monetary reward.”

LOL kidnapping people typical Russia
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Sep 27 2022 01:34pm
Quote (kusotarre1 @ Sep 27 2022 02:31pm)
That doesn't make sense.

Russia doesn't want to see 'political chaos' in the EU just for the sake of seeing 'political chaos' in the EU. It wants a political reorientation in the EU in order to pry the EU away from America so it can continue to do business with the EU. This means that keeping the pipeline as an option to sell gas through is a priority for Russia, as it is an enormous carrot to dangle in front of freezing Europeans watching their industries flee the EU. It allows Russia to say "turn this back on and save yourselves."

America just took that away. America benefits.


America benefits in selling gas it can't transport sufficiently?
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Sep 27 2022 01:36pm
Quote (Djunior @ Sep 27 2022 02:27pm)
NATO's had a damn good run and has become used to just annex country after country. In the end another big player states they don't like us taking over their neighbors (logical, because of geopolitical tensions the last 70 years or so).

And NATO cries like spoiled little bitches. It'd be laughable if it wasn't so sad


how many people died in the coup of Ukraine by the US and it's allies?

and how many people have died in the Russian/Ukranian war thusfar?
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Sep 27 2022 01:36pm
Russia-Ukraine updates: Russians pour into EU amid military call-up


he European Union's border control agency said 66,000 Russians entered the bloc in the past week, a 30% increase. Meanwhile, the US will not adjust its nuclear posture amid threats from Moscow. DW rounds up the latest.The European Union's Frontex border control agency said 66,000 Russians have entered the EU in the past week.

This represents a 30% increase compared with the previous week, according to the agency. It said that most of the crossings were occurring at the Finnish and Estonian sections of the border.
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Sep 27 2022 01:44pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Sep 27 2022 09:36pm)
how many people died in the coup of Ukraine by the US and it's allies?

and how many people have died in the Russian/Ukranian war thusfar?


50 odd people died @euromaidan IIRC you can look it up if you want.

The aftereffects of that coup and the promises that Ukraine could join NATO and EU led to situation we have today, there's no way to solely blame Russia.

My stance is (and will remain) that we KNEW that Russia didn't put up with it (annexation of Crimea has proven that).

The only correct thing to do back in January this year was to negotiate but it failed miserably.

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Sep 27 2022 01:46pm
Quote (Santara @ Sep 27 2022 12:34pm)
America benefits in selling gas it can't transport sufficiently?

America is selling it's LNG for record profits. The EU can't get enough? Who cares, VW is welcome to open a new plant in Pennsylvania or something.

America is harvesting value from the EU, now. They're selling the EU overpriced gas that makes their industries noncompetitive while creating a legal framework that forces the migration of those industries West instead of East.
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Sep 27 2022 01:50pm
Quote (Djunior @ Sep 27 2022 02:44pm)
50 odd people died @euromaidan IIRC you can look it up if you want.

The aftereffects of that coup and the promises that Ukraine could join NATO and EU led to situation we have today, there's no way to solely blame Russia.

My stance is (and will remain) that we KNEW that Russia didn't put up with it (annexation of Crimea has proven that).

The only correct thing to do back in January this year was to negotiate but it failed miserably.


and russia's lack of "putting up with it" = bad?

nato = bad, and russia = bad. right? russia, being a country that will invade other countries = bad?
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Sep 27 2022 01:57pm
Quote (Djunior @ Sep 27 2022 09:44pm)
50 odd people died @euromaidan IIRC you can look it up if you want.

The aftereffects of that coup and the promises that Ukraine could join NATO and EU led to situation we have today, there's no way to solely blame Russia.

My stance is (and will remain) that we KNEW that Russia didn't put up with it (annexation of Crimea has proven that).

The only correct thing to do back in January this year was to negotiate but it failed miserably.


I remember that BHL made a speech there right before things started to be bad in 2013/2014

Coincidence, it is the same guy who called Sarkozy on phone telling him that Kadafi was killing everyone REEE need NATO intervention again

He did it to Yougoslavia too, before arab springs too.

What I mean is the only fact that BHL asked for peace in this region is a solid indication that this place will quickly turn into shit, and it didnt missed with ukraine.
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