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Sep 27 2022 05:24am
Protests in Germany with people wanting gas from Russia, Italy stunning everyone with electing a firebrand nationalist. The neocons are getting scared. My theory is it was some NATO countries hawks that sabotaged the pipelines to make sure politicians aren't tempted to go back to Russian gas.
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Sep 27 2022 05:36am
Quote (Impy @ Sep 27 2022 12:15pm)
Sounds like cope. That would be an open declaration of war against Europe.


Why wouldn't be sabotaging NS1 or NS2 a declaration of war? How are you going to prove this anyway?

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Sep 27 2022 05:54am
I watched a documentary on Netflix from 2018 - putin - the new tsar. while it skipped over some things it was nevertheless worth watching. it explained why putin turned away from the west. some of the people interviewed, in particular, jack straw, had some insightful comments, all of which i agreed with (again i accept the documentary did not properly explain some events).
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Why wouldn't be sabotaging NS1 or NS2 a declaration of war? How are you going to prove this anyway?


I don't understand sorry:
"Sabotaging = declaration" right?
And it depends on "who is sabotaging" right?
Average joe (of each country) will believe what tv tells. (Russians believe nato did this, nato citizens believe that Russians did this). No proofs needed?
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Quote (Impy @ Sep 27 2022 01:55pm)
I don't understand sorry:
"Sabotaging = declaration" right?
And it depends on "who is sabotaging" right?
Average joe (of each country) will believe what tv tells. (Russians believe nato did this, nato citizens believe that Russians did this). No proofs needed?

Let me explain my POV then. I am from Germany. Whether we used NS1/2 or not they count as critical infrastructure to us. Anyone attacking them would be declaring a war towards Germany which is in NATO, unless the perpetrator is from within. There is no interest for the US to sabotage them in such an explicit way. It's either Russia or Poland+Ukraine+friends. Weakening Germany too much isn't in US interests. Poland and the baltic states are easier to manipulate for the US (lapdogs) but they aren't reliable partners with appropriate resources and influence throughout Europe.

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Sep 27 2022 06:38am
Quote (Djunior @ Sep 27 2022 05:20am)
For Russia the sanctions + weapons delivery + rhetoric to "destroy Russia" = open declaration of war

We're already at war


We? Unsurprising, comrade.

Quote (Ognadibik @ Sep 27 2022 06:18am)
Opinion of a trash poster/10

It's like getting advice on car manufacturing from a professional video gamer.


If my meaning wasn't clear, that was a shot at Melatonina.
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Sep 27 2022 06:56am
TLDR: News round up around the world. skip this if you are up to date.

having to contend with unethical people that converse in bad faith, do not provide their own view, resort to personal attacks and simply want to further their own ego, its probably safer in the round to ignore some posters and to be selective in who you respond to.

anyway round up:

the is from the guardian in england

Vladimir Putin is likely to announce the annexation of occupied regions of Ukraine into Russia within days, the UK's defence ministry says
The Russian president could make the announcement when he addresses the country's parliament on Friday, according to the ministry
It comes as Russia stages a final day of voting in discredited referendums in occupied regions of Ukraine
Ukraine and the West say the result has already been decided by the Kremlin and will be used as an excuse for an illegal land grab
Meanwhile, two leaks have been found on the Nord Stream 1 pipeline in Swedish and Danish waters, Sweden's maritime authority says, a day after a similar leak was found in its sister pipeline
And the Kremlin has admitted mistakes were made in its drive to mobilise Russian army reservists, amid growing public opposition
Russia’s allies China and India call for negotiations to end Ukraine war

this is from fox news (sorry!)

Russia and US in 'very sporadic' talks over nuclear issues, Kremlin says
NYT column warns the 'world is probably now closer to the use of nuclear weapons than at any point in decades'
Russian citizenship provides 'a little stability' for him and his family, Snowden says
Russian citizenship means Snowden 'may well be conscripted' to fight in Ukraine: State Dept
Russia to give troops who surrender 10 years in prison unless they are able to flee captivity
Vladimir Putin grants full Russian citizenship to Edward Snowden
Russians arrested in thousands while protesting Putin's mobilization, human rights group says

this is from al jazeera

Ukraine war enters new phase as annexation votes draw to close
Russia-Ukraine live news: Kremlin proxies to close polls
Poland, Denmark fear ‘sabotage’ over Russian gas pipeline leaks
Kremlin says no decision to seal Russia’s borders amid chaos
EU, US question Serbia’s EU commitment after Russia deal

re: serbia story ~ West questions Belgrade after signing a deal with Moscow pledging long-term consultations on foreign policy.

This is from China

Ukraine conflict - day 215: U.S. to respond 'decisively' if Russia uses nuclear weapons (really not sure what this will look like, i mean they are already practically at war with Russia).
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said he doesn't think Vladimir Putin is bluffing when he says Moscow would use nuclear weapons to defend Russia."Look, maybe yesterday it was bluff. Now, it could be a reality," Zelenskyy told CBS News.
UK Prime Minister Liz Truss said: "We should not be listening to his (Putin's) sabre-rattling and his bogus threats. Instead, what we need to do is continue to put sanctions on Russia and continue to support the Ukrainians," in an interview with CNN.
Vladimir Putin will meet his Belarusian counterpart Alexander Lukashenko on Monday in Moscow, Belarus state media reported. Russia and Belarus are close allies, with Russia having used bases in Belarus as a staging post for its troops, aircraft and equipment for its attack of Ukraine.
Heavy fighting has seen more than 40 towns hit by Russian shelling in the past 24 hours, Ukraine officials have said. There have been five missile and 12 air strikes, as well as more than 83 attacks from multiple rocket-propelled grenades, the general staff of Ukraine's armed forces said.
Two drones launched by Russian forces into Ukraine's Odesa region hit military objects, causing a fire and setting off ammunition, Ukraine's southern command said on Monday. "As a result of a large-scale fire and the detonation of ammunition, the evacuation of the civilian population was organized," it said on messaging app Telegram.
Finland said on Monday it had recorded the year's busiest weekend in terms of Russians entering the country, after Moscow's military call-up announcement caused a rush for the border. "Last weekend was the busiest weekend of the year for traffic on the eastern border," said Mert Sasioglu of the Finnish border guard.

The U.S. warned Moscow of "catastrophic consequences" if it uses nuclear weapons in Ukraine after Russia promised protection to regions that might join it following referendums. U.S. National Security Adviser Jake Sullivan said the U.S. would respond to any Russian use of nuclear weapons against Ukraine. "If Russia crosses this line, there will be catastrophic consequences for Russia," Sullivan told NBC television. "The United States will respond decisively." Sullivan did not say how Washington would respond but said it had privately told Moscow "in greater detail exactly what that would mean".

another snippet from the china site -

If Moscow formally claimed a vast additional chunk of Ukraine, Putin would essentially be daring the U.S. and its European allies to risk a direct military confrontation with Russia, the world's biggest nuclear power. "All this talk about immediate referendums is an absolutely unequivocal ultimatum from Russia to Ukraine and the West," said Tatiana Stanovaya, founder of the political analysis firm R.Politik. Former Russian President and staunch Putin ally Dmitry Medvedev said the move would give the Kremlin more options for the defense of what he said would become Russian territory.

"Encroachment onto Russian territory is a crime which allows you to use all the forces of self–defense," Medvedev said in a post on Telegram. "This is why these referendums are so feared in Kyiv and the West." Russia's military doctrine allows the use of nuclear weapons if weapons of mass destruction are used against it or if the Russian state faces an existential threat from conventional weapons. U.S. President Joe Biden warned in March that a direct confrontation between the NATO military alliance and Russia would mean World War III. Biden and NATO leaders have been careful to say that they do not want NATO troops in direct conflict with Russian troops. Putin and senior Russian generals and officials, though, already cast the conflict as a broader contest with the West which they say has sent Ukraine advanced weaponry and helps guide Ukrainian forces with intelligence and training that ultimately kills Russian troops.

This is from Canada:

Lights out, heaters off: Europeans prepare for winter energy crisis after Russia turns off gas

This is from India:

Russia-Ukraine War: In a report issued on Tuesday, the Federal Statistics Office said that the population had grown by 1%, or 843,000 people, in the first half of 2022.
Where are Russian draft dodgers fleeing to? A look at the numbers

This is from poland:

Leaks in Nord Stream gas pipelines may be a Russian 'provocation’: Polish deputy FM
Polish FM discusses Ukraine war on US visit

This post was edited by ferdia on Sep 27 2022 07:24am
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Sep 27 2022 07:29am
a brief double post - ill try to add a few more videos noting some people seem to like this format, and noting events are now accelerating. with that in mind:

interview with Finnish president:



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Sep 27 2022 07:43am
Quote (Santara @ Sep 27 2022 02:38pm)
We? Unsurprising, comrade.


Not talking to you, I quoted another user. See what he said and put my reply in context.

But you won't cuz you're just a butthurt shitsack at this point.
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Sep 27 2022 07:46am
Another video :

an hour long Q&A with the russia foreign minster. very interesting (I found this video on the United Nations channel on youtube).



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