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Sep 26 2022 12:12pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Sep 26 2022 07:09pm)
Dependent in the sense of "Europe's standard of living and competitiveness will take a big hit without cheap Russian energy"? Sure.
Dependent in the sense of "lights will go out in Europe"? Doubtful, but time will tell.



The economic threat that a Western-aligned Ukraine posed to Russia was definitely one motivating factor. All I'm saying is that I disagree with the notion that it was THE decisive factor that promted Putin to pull the trigger on a full-scale invasion; that it was THE casus belli.


Certainly not this winter. Next summer/autumn will be very crucial in replenishing supplies. With or without Russian gas.

I can agree with that statement. Its rational to suggest a variety of motivating factors and probably misconceptions(bad intel) led to the Russian invasion.
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Certainly not this winter. Next summer/autumn will be very crucial in replenishing supplies. With or without Russian gas.

I can agree with that statement. Its rational to suggest a variety of motivating factors and probably misconceptions(bad intel) led to the Russian invasion.


Ukraine was preparing for this war since 2014 and there are interviews with members of its government from around 2017 (in this thread) whereby they stated their belief that russia would invade sometime around 2021-2022. therefore while i would suggest there was bad intel all round in the days leading up to the invasion (will they invade / wont they, and when, and would a run on kiev have the desired result for russia: spoiler: no it did not), ultimately it was an arrow in flight. russia was going to invade. we have exhausted the conversation on why russia invaded, but its all well trashed out (earlier in this thread). by all means if u want to go over old ground we can pull up the video's and interviews again.

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"Far-right leader Giorgia Meloni has said she was ready to govern for "all Italians" after her eurosceptic populists swept to victory in general elections, putting her on course to guide Italy's most right-wing government since World War II. According to projections around one in four voters in yesterday's election backed Ms Meloni's Brothers of Italy party, which has neo-fascist roots. But the party leads a coalition set to win a majority in parliament. Her success represents a seismic change in Italy, a founding member of the European Union and the eurozone's third largest economy - and for the EU, just weeks after the far-right outperformed in elections in Sweden.

Ms Meloni, who campaigned on a motto of "God, country and family", is expected to become Italy's first female prime minister, although the process of forming a new government could take weeks. At a time of soaring inflation, a looming energy crisis and the war in Ukraine, the 45-year-old sought to reassure those worried about her lack of experience and radical past.Ms Meloni said voters had sent a "clear message" of support for her party to lead their right-wing coalition to power."

probably more of this on the way in other EU countries. its all interconnected.

^Melatonina almost everyone that posts here brings their own view to the discussion. if you had everyone agreeing then the topic would be dead.


It's sad that people have to be driven to more extreme parties because current politicians will flat out disregard the will of the people so then people are so desperate that populist outsiders are the only way.

Normal people in Europe: Immigration to our countries is unimpeded and our social safety nets are struggling to cope.
Brussels: Shut up bigot. Diversity is our strength.

Normal people in Europe: We believe in strong family values and want our Christian values to be respected. It's who we are and have been this way for centuries.
Brussels: Shut up homophobe. You either implement woke social policies even though majority of your sovereign populaces disagree with it or we will force you to comply by threatening you with various economic bludgeons.

Normal people in Europe: Energy prices are crushing our disposable income and the quality of life for our families.
Brussels: Shut up people are dying in Ukraine. You don't want Russia to win right? So you will do your duty and pay more for years to come or you support Putin.


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It's sad that people have to be driven to more extreme parties because current politicians will flat out disregard the will of the people so then people are so desperate that populist outsiders are the only way.

Normal people in Europe: Immigration to our countries is unimpeded and our social safety nets are struggling to cope.
Brussels: Shut up bigot. Diversity is our strength.

Normal people in Europe: We believe in strong family values and want our Christian values to be respected. It's who we are and have been this way for centuries.
Brussels: Shut up homophobe. You either implement woke social policies even though majority of your sovereign populaces disagree with it or we will force you to comply by threatening you with various economic bludgeons.

Normal people in Europe: Energy prices are crushing our disposable income and the quality of life for our families.
Brussels: Shut up people are dying in Ukraine. You don't want Russia to win right? So you will do your duty and pay more for years to come or you support Putin.


the same is happening in my country as well. not the first, not the last and not the only. there is nothing wrong with immigration provided it is done properly. cultural differences can also be overcome (holland is a good example of this) and good government can mitigate against poverty. the problem has occured where governments have been woefully inadequate which has enabled these issues, to become issues greater then what they should be.

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Russians are setting themselves on fire, shooting deployment centre staff and shooting up schools to dodge mobilization.
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Quote (ferdia @ Sep 26 2022 09:22pm)
the same is happening in my country as well. not the first, not the last and not the only. there is nothing wrong with immigration provided it is done properly.cultural differences can also be overcome (holland is a good example of this) and good government can mitigate against poverty. the problem has occured where governments have been woefully inadequate which has enabled these issues, to become issues greater then what they should be.


Really depends on how big differences. Some cultures won't mend with another no matter what (islam). Then again i am not a big fan of european mindset, hypersexualism of everything, unsustainable lifestyles and generally degenerate P off-topic tho.

Italy elections i dont think have much to do with ukr and more to do with immigration. Also italy has always been unstable

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Italy elections i dont think have much to do with ukr

Agreed. The war in Ukraine might play a big role for the political future of Italy though since it divides the three right-wing parties which are slated to form a government coalition. Meloni's Fratelli d'Italia support Ukraine while Berlusconi's Forza Italia and Salvini's Lega are very friendly with Putin. I don't think that they're gonna outright defect from the European line to side with Putin anytime soon, but Italy's new government will imho push for a quick ceasefire or peace treaty and not be supportive of Ukraine's plans to extend the war so they can requoncer the Donbass. Further down the line, this election result in Italy will imho increases the pressure on Kyiv to accept a painful compromise which shortcuts the war.

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Sep 26 2022 03:46pm
Bring your own tourniquets, maxipads, and tampons for first aid guys:

https://twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1574476679539527680
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Sep 26 2022 05:00pm
Quote (Melatonina @ 26 Sep 2022 09:35)
chopstick
Gomshill
ownyaah
ferdia
DJunior
me ofc

quality posters

all others : niggas who should shut up 4ever

I am not sure about some of these
Chopstick is a paid russian troll acc
Goomshill despite having access to the whole internet, has big gaps in his history knowledge, or just deliberately leaves things out to try to prove his point... either way, wouldnt call that quality poster
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