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Quote (Meanwhile @ Sep 24 2022 08:10am)
"can't stop winning" for sure.

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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Sep 23 2022 10:00pm)
How many times do I have to point out that there was no clearly stated "will of the people" at the time? Yes, the Ukrainian people had elected pro-Russia president Yanukovych who rejected the EU-UKR association agreement - but they had also elected a pro-EU parliament which voted to ratify it. So it's flat out wrong to claim that rejecting the overtures of the West had a clear, unambiguous mandate from the Ukrainian people.

Furthermore, it should be noted that Yanukovych had been ambivalent about his stance on the EU-vs-RU question during his years as opposition leader and during his 2010 campaign, and had at times signalled outright openness to closer ties with the West:
https://foreignpolicy.com/2013/12/06/the-ukrainian-presidents-big-broken-promise/

It was clear and unambiguous under the Ukrainian system of government which represents the people. Thats the full stop. Anything beyond that is like justifying a coup because of the electoral college or women being allowed to vote. A coup is a coup.

Now we're supposed to believe that elections is a post coup state with foreign manipulation and banned opposition parties and no independent media and half the country disenfranchised are legitimate and democratic, but elections in a separatist region occupied by a foreign power are illegitimate and farcical.

Thats western imperialism at its finest. The Model T of geopolitics. You can have all the freedoms and liberties and self determination you want as long as you agree with us on everything. If you don't, we have "tools"

This post was edited by Goomshill on Sep 24 2022 01:19am
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Quote (Goomshill @ Sep 24 2022 10:18am)
It was clear and unambiguous under the Ukrainian system of government which represents the people. Thats the full stop. Anything beyond that is like justifying a coup because of the electoral college or women being allowed to vote. A coup is a coup.

Now we're supposed to believe that elections is a post coup state with foreign manipulation and banned opposition parties and no independent media and half the country disenfranchised are legitimate and democratic, but elections in a separatist region occupied by a foreign power are illegitimate and farcical.

Thats western imperialism at its finest. The Model T of geopolitics. You can have all the freedoms and liberties and self determination you want as long as you agree with us on everything. If you don't, we have "tools"


I just read that the pro-russian president fled on his own accord and he had golden toilet and Escobar like zoo at his mansion, it looks like you are utterly wrong sir.
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Sep 24 2022 02:17am
Pro-Russian president also served sentences in Jail prior and had his own Russian mafia clan LMAO
What a good guy rofl
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Quote (Palasan @ Sep 24 2022 03:14am)
I just read that the pro-russian president fled on his own accord and he had golden toilet and Escobar like zoo at his mansion, it looks like you are utterly wrong sir.


Weird how a legitimate and free democracy needs to imprison its political opponents, murder journalists and ban all non-state media, ban the opposition parties and overthrow a lawfully elected government with a mob of literal nazis. Certainly there are no parallels Goomshill could make between this and various American-backed "regime changes" in the mideast and Central/south Americas.

Have to say the bit where neoliberals championed actual Nazis in 2022 made for a bit of a laugh, I said it would be hard to top us arming Al Qaeda in Syria but American exceptionalism knows no limits
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Quote (kusotarre1 @ Sep 23 2022 08:25pm)
Sitting quietly in their corner, watching America, France and Britain create a literal slave state and spread armed Islamic jihadists all over the place.

Did they sanction the aggressors? Of course not. Doesn't matter that the destruction of Libya by NATO was much worse than what's happening in Ukraine, that the people who did it have done similar things all over the world.

So where was Germany? Exactly.


You're imagining things. Ukraine's seen more death, more wounded, and probably an order of magnitude more refugees.

Quote (kusotarre1 @ Sep 23 2022 08:25pm)
It's not about you feeling bad for Russians, it's about your inability to see that experiencing that collapse is a driving factor in Russian sentiment towards an organization that wants to do 1991 to Russia all over again. That's the step you cannot take because you have already decided that you will never admit to Russia having any valid security concerns. No matter what NATO does, no matter how many times Western leaders talk about how they must inflict pain on Russian civilians or balkanize Russia along ethnic lines, you won't cross that line.

But whatever, you're reporting my posts for vulgarity now, lol. Done talking to you, be back for my 1000fg later.


NATO didn't *cause* the 1991 collapse. Soviet central planning did.

I don't report people for pretty much anything and I've certainly never reported you. I get reported for vulgarity too, and I deserve it.
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Quote (Goomshill @ Sep 24 2022 12:28pm)
Weird how a legitimate and free democracy needs to imprison its political opponents, murder journalists and ban all non-state media, ban the opposition parties and overthrow a lawfully elected government with a mob of literal nazis. Certainly there are no parallels Goomshill could make between this and various American-backed "regime changes" in the mideast and Central/south Americas.

Have to say the bit where neoliberals championed actual Nazis in 2022 made for a bit of a laugh, I said it would be hard to top us arming Al Qaeda in Syria but American exceptionalism knows no limits


Weird how the "lawfully" elected government officials on other side throw their political opponents in jail, kill/prosecute/threaten their families, ban free non-state controlled media and lead lavish lifestyles full of yachts with golden toilets while 33% of their population starves. But yes USA is the root of all evil, with their NATO masters LOL

This post was edited by Palasan on Sep 24 2022 04:18am
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Quote (Santara @ Sep 24 2022 01:02pm)
You're imagining things. Ukraine's seen more death, more wounded, and probably an order of magnitude more refugees.



NATO didn't *cause* the 1991 collapse. Soviet central planning did.

I don't report people for pretty much anything and I've certainly never reported you. I get reported for vulgarity too, and I deserve it.


That Russian bot can't even find Libya on the map and you genuinely think he knows anything about that conflict LOL!?
Estimates of deaths in the Libyan Civil War vary with figures from 2,500 to 25,000

Theres 60,000 Russians dead in Ukraine alone. And Russia ethnically cleansed like 5 cities and 100s of villages in Ukraine.
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Weird how the "lawfully" elected government officials on other side throw their political opponents in jail, kill/prosecute/threaten their families, ban free non-state controlled media and lead lavish lifestyles full of yachts with golden toilets while 33% of their population starves. But yes USA is the root of all evil, with their NATO masters LOL


The best part of a total lack of moral relativism is thinking that because the other guys are bad your side must have no faults at all.
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Quote (Goomshill @ Sep 24 2022 01:25pm)
The best part of a total lack of moral relativism is thinking that because the other guys are bad your side must have no faults at all.


The best part of total lack of moral relativism is thinking that since one side is not perfect and has flaws (which it doesn't deny), that by taking pure evil tyrannical sides position you will compensate for those flaws ;)

This post was edited by Palasan on Sep 24 2022 04:42am
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