When the will of the people of Ukraine was to elect a Russian aligned politician and reject NATO's overtures, those NATO powers orchestrated a coup d'etat and took control of that government, disenfranchising half the country and then laying siege to them.
When the people of Poland or Hungary or Italy choose to democratically elect governments that don't embrace the NATO agenda, we get Ursula von der Leyen talking about what 'tools' she has to wield against them.
Like the Arab Spring, it was never about spreading democracy and respecting self-determination, those are far too inconvenient to our hegemony

That never happened LOL

There are internal politics and interests of each nation in NATO for sure. Turkey have probably been playing the key part so far. Germany have long got themselves in a position of blackmail. It is far more complex than what meets the eye. The Baltics have to remain quite Neutral because Russia hold a stronghold at Kalinigrad in the middle of the Baltics. There are a lot of things on a fine balance at the moment, including old Soviet states starting to battle with each other. I think patience is the key and keeping on supporting Ukraine. Attrition is kicking in now and it can only be a matter of time before a Coup succeeds in Moscow.

And Poland or Hungary or Italy will never vote in a government that wants out of NATO, regardless what you think those people all are glad they are in NATO and are protected from same scenario that is happening in Ukraine right out by Russia illegally invading it.
You must be living on Mars if you haven't noticed that even neutral countries are on fast-paced track to join NATO asap.

This post was edited by Palasan on Sep 23 2022 06:45pm

Except it did, and that's why there's a war going on right now.

Yea never happened, just more Putin bullshit lol.

Precisely. Sweden and Finland who have historically always remained Neutral are now joining NATO on fast track and are already protected.

Poland have done a lot more from a humanitarian approach than anyone else by the way. They literally opened the doors up to Ukrainians when the war started and took everyone in instantly. They were even taking cats and dogs without question which just shows how good Poland have been.

Inb4 Goomshill will tell you evil NATO-US masters brainwashed Poland and its entire population into promoting their agenda, and stripped them of self-determination rofl. He will identify a coup there too most likely.

For a coup to happen you need meaningful and powerful opposition internally. That's not existent in Russia. The military and the political elite are aligned. Most Russians may not agree with large scale war but they generally agree with Putin's narrative of NATO encroachment. You don't really understand internal Russia if you think a coup is happening any time soon.

Sitting quietly in their corner, watching America, France and Britain create a literal slave state and spread armed Islamic jihadists all over the place.

Did they sanction the aggressors? Of course not. Doesn't matter that the destruction of Libya by NATO was much worse than what's happening in Ukraine, that the people who did it have done similar things all over the world.

So where was Germany? Exactly.


It's not about you feeling bad for Russians, it's about your inability to see that experiencing that collapse is a driving factor in Russian sentiment towards an organization that wants to do 1991 to Russia all over again. That's the step you cannot take because you have already decided that you will never admit to Russia having any valid security concerns. No matter what NATO does, no matter how many times Western leaders talk about how they must inflict pain on Russian civilians or balkanize Russia along ethnic lines, you won't cross that line.

But whatever, you're reporting my posts for vulgarity now, lol. Done talking to you, be back for my 1000fg later.