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Sep 23 2022 05:18pm
Quote (kusotarre1 @ Sep 24 2022 02:11am)
NATO is a defensive alliance, but it destroyed Libya and Yugoslavia. Libya wasn't about the 'goals and function of NATO', yet NATO was there to destroy it. Libya is about the petrodollar (? pretty sure you don't know what the petrodollar is), but Russia... isn't?

You don't get to where you are by valuing tibbits and factoids differently, you get to where you are by compartmentalizing information so effectively that you are able to feel no cognitive dissonance when you hold two irreconcilable beliefs.

This is why it's pointless talking to you. Even if I ever get you to agree with something mundane like "1991 was a disaster for Russians", it will not go even a miniscule amount to getting you to understand Russian motivations for anything.


Here we go again with whataboutism in a thread to discuss Russian/Ukraine conflict. The favorite past time of idiots and dumb russians like yourself LOL
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Sep 23 2022 05:20pm
Quote (Palasan @ Sep 23 2022 04:55pm)
Yes because we are foreign masters of Hungary, I am quite sure Hungary does whatever the fuck Hungary wants to do. Even in your link they had a vote on whether they should send those soldiers.


Hungary surrendered its sovereignty to foreign masters. If Hungary tries to do 'whatever it wants', the western powers will force their ideals, their priorities, their geopolitical policies onto Hungary. And that's happening right now.
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Sep 23 2022 05:22pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Sep 24 2022 02:20am)
Hungary surrendered its sovereignty to foreign masters. If Hungary tries to do 'whatever it wants', the western powers will force their ideals, their priorities, their geopolitical policies onto Hungary. And that's happening right now.


I am quite sure either Slovenia or Hungary don't do sanctions against Russia, so where are their foreign masters?
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Sep 23 2022 05:23pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Sep 24 2022 01:20am)
Hungary surrendered its sovereignty to foreign masters. If Hungary tries to do 'whatever it wants', the western powers will force their ideals, their priorities, their geopolitical policies onto Hungary. And that's happening right now.


i do support hungary fighting brussels, but at the same time orban himself is more of a russia shill than he probably should be

especially when you have been under the russian boot until 30 years ago

without a doubt some weird shit will happen in hungary real soon ^_^

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Sep 23 2022 11:46pm)
We don't have to debate in hypotheticals here, the second Iraq war is a real world example of major NATO states refusing allegiance to a US-led war. France, Germany, Canada, Norway, Belgium and Greece all stayed out of the conflict, as did the non-NATO allies Israel, Ireland, Austria and New Zealand. Major NATO members Turkey and Spain withdrew their troops very soon, before Iraq had even descended into chaos.


they still got some guys + support and since iraq-afghanistan interventions ran at the same time for a long while, supplying troops for afghanistan was indirect support

every soldier we sent for afghanistan freed american troops to do something else

This post was edited by JohnnyMcCoy on Sep 23 2022 05:26pm
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Sep 23 2022 05:26pm
Quote (Palasan @ Sep 23 2022 06:22pm)
I am quite sure either Slovenia or Hungary don't do sanctions against Russia, so where are their foreign masters?


The globohomos are very publicly moving against them. Unless you're living in a cave on Mars, don't know how you'd miss it.
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Sep 23 2022 05:33pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Sep 24 2022 02:26am)
The globohomos are very publicly moving against them. Unless you're living in a cave on Mars, don't know how you'd miss it.


Well then why didn't NATO order them to apply sanctions? Maybe you not knowing what master means is the issue?

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Sep 23 2022 05:36pm
Quote (Palasan @ Sep 23 2022 06:33pm)
Well then why didn't NATO order them to apply sanctions? Maybe you don't know what master means is the issue?


Masters are the people who make the decisions for them once they are stripped of their self-determination. The lack of sovereignty for countries like Hungary and Poland is something of a topic in the news that you've somehow missed, presumably due to being too busy battling tharks on behalf of the warhoons.
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Sep 23 2022 05:40pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Sep 24 2022 02:36am)
Masters are the people who make the decisions for them once they are stripped of their self-determination. The lack of sovereignty for countries like Hungary and Poland is something of a topic in the news that you've somehow missed, presumably due to being too busy battling tharks on behalf of the warhoons.


Seems like those decisions NATO masters made are being ignored by some of their slaves then. Its funny how self-determination can only work one way in your opinion, as soon as one country decides to self-determine closer to US and NATO they are instantly slaves of the evil masters who took their self-determination away LMAO
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Sep 23 2022 05:48pm
Quote (kusotarre1 @ Sep 23 2022 06:11pm)
NATO is a defensive alliance, but it destroyed Libya and Yugoslavia. Libya wasn't about the 'goals and function of NATO', yet NATO was there to destroy it. Libya is about the petrodollar (? pretty sure you don't know what the petrodollar is), but Russia... isn't?

You don't get to where you are by valuing tibbits and factoids differently, you get to where you are by compartmentalizing information so effectively that you are able to feel no cognitive dissonance when you hold two irreconcilable beliefs.

This is why it's pointless talking to you. Even if I ever get you to agree with something mundane like "1991 was a disaster for Russians", it will not go even a miniscule amount to getting you to understand Russian motivations for anything.


*Some* of NATO enforced a UN resolution. NATO as an alliance did nothing of the sort. Where was Germany, Poland, the Baltics, Greece, or Turkey?

Russia surely saw a chink in the petrodollar armor, why didn't they block the UN resolution?

Sure, I know nothing about the petrodollar. It's secret squirrel level stuff.

Was 1991 devastating for Russia? Absolutely. The rest of the decade was too. Do I feel bad for them? Nope.
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#12710
Sep 23 2022 05:55pm
Orban is one of the few politicians that actually cares about shit that's pressing his constituency, at least that's what as an outside observer I see. Trying to negotiate for cheap natural resources for his people and being vocal about garbage self-destructive energy policies is good for the people and bad for the bureaucracy. No wonder why the Brussels hivemind hates him.
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