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Sep 23 2022 05:00am
Quote (ownyaah @ Sep 23 2022 03:46am)
1) they aren't getting their asses kicked, the war has just begun. This will become a massive, prolonged war. All of ukraine will be drenched in blood, at the end of this ukraine will be a hellhole.

2) Ofcourse they are acting in self-interest. They want to regain historic russian cities, and they want to reduce Nato presence in ukraine. Also they want a buffer zone and to hold the funnel point. Has nothing to do with nazis, even though plenty of ukranians are nazis, including officials.

3) ofcourse your european/american w/e, thats where all extreme western-centric selective ideologies are from


1) Pound for pound Russia is getting their ass kicked unless you living in la la land. Russia has massive weight though, and history of sending millions to their deaths to achieve goals.

2.) Nazi, freedom fighter, heathen, cave-dweller, terrorist, are just propaganda words to dehumanize an enemy or glorify your allies. Ukrainian fighters and family no different than Russians, just some idiotic nationalistic chest pounding rehtoric separating the two. Things like Russia state media using cat with worms analogy.....

3.) From USA , USA #1 of course. Not sure why we even try to help out RE EU 'allies'.

This post was edited by RedFromWinter on Sep 23 2022 05:02am
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Quote (Santara @ Sep 23 2022 11:36am)
Gonna complain about violating neutrality when the Soviets violated Finland's neutrality and invaded Finland during the Winter War in the first place???


I dont expect a change in strategy from the west. neither do a expect russia to back down i.e. i still dont expect boots on the ground but i do expect continuous aid to ukraine, while russia continues to wage war (and escalate). Any idea of the consequences of this latest move by russia? specifically relating to the next 6 months ? i.e. what will this mobilization achieve / hope to achieve ? I mean even if ukraine suffers losses they are not going to stop fighting. even if russia says "we will take this" ukriane will keep fighting.

using a metaphor for the escalating conflict, it feels like the tide is coming in. you cant swim against it, you just have to go with it but that the conclusion is one that on one wants (yet nothing done to pause/stop because no side is ready or willing to sit down and talk, each convinced their position is right).

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Quote (ownyaah @ Sep 23 2022 05:21am)
There is definitely a economic-factor involved, but it isn't the main reason.

Nato being on their largest border (west) isn't comparable to tiny baltic states. Finland hurts a bit more tho, but there is chokepoints along the finnish-russian border so that is more acceptable than ukr.


No one is going to invade Russia. Nuclear weapons and all that.
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Quote (ownyaah @ Sep 23 2022 03:40am)
The logic is, US attacked libya because gaddafi was estabilishing an african union. This would act as a counterpower to french/american supremacy in africa.

They acted in their self-interest. Now russia is acting in its self-interest. YOU do not have a fucking monopoly in acting in self-interests. This is the problem with dogs like you, you think you are gods.
1) you do not have a monopoly on acting in self-interests
2) you do not have a monopoly on morals
3) you do not have a monopoly on ethics
4) you do not have a monopoly on anything
5) you are all pissy because chinese have caught up and other regional powers are outgrowing your team. You gonna get fked in the coming 50 years.


American here.

Just want to get back on the record (again) that what the US did to Libya was also wrong and Russia's actions are still not justified.
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Sep 23 2022 06:53am
Quote (Santara @ 23 Sep 2022 14:44)
American here.

Just want to get back on the record (again) that what the US did to Libya was also wrong and Russia's actions are still not justified.


small addition: The abstentions included China and Russia, they could have used their veto at Un security council.
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Quote (BaHgerAUT @ Sep 23 2022 03:53pm)
small addition: The abstentions included China and Russia, they could have used their veto at Un security council.


They allowed a no-fly-zone, not a bomb-on-will zone.
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Quote (kusotarre1 @ Sep 23 2022 09:58am)
Actually, Gorbachev was precisely that stupid. A stupid fucking idiot whose political decisions led to Russian children sucking dick for 10 rubles.

That will not be repeated.


You AND Chopstickz where obviously two of those children LMAO
Now you will be doing the same for 5 rubles XD
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Sep 23 2022 09:44am
Since the evening of September 21, huge queues have formed of people wishing to leave the territory of the Russian Federation at the Russian-Georgian border.

After the mobilization announced by Putin, the Russians began to flee the country. As a result, huge traffic jams have formed on the border between Russia and Georgia at the Upper Lars checkpoint. According to the Telegram channel Echo of the Caucasus, to cross the border by car, you have to queue for at least 10 hours.

However, Russians who want to flee the territory of Russia quickly have begun to switch to bicycles and scooters.

“You can’t cross the border on foot, but using roller skates, scooters and bicycles you can get past the border guards faster, in a separate line,” explains the SOTA Telegram channel.

It should be noted that the condition for crossing the Russian-Georgian border – “being on wheels” has already become a “gold mine” for some enterprising local residents.

It should be noted that the Upper Lars checkpoint is the only land crossing through which it is possible to legally enter Georgia, all other methods are illegal or involve a rather large detour through the territory of Azerbaijan.

As reported, during the mobilization in Russia they plan convene at least 300 thousand people.

The seventh secret paragraph of the decree of the President of the Russian Federation Vladimir Putin contains more information on the volume of mobilization in the Russian Federation: to the army can call up to 1 million Russiansthe media say.



Experts have already called the mobilization in Russia “Putin’s funeral campaign”.




There is a video on twitter showing a Russian buying a scooter so he can cross into Georgia LMAO!
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Sep 23 2022 10:52am
Quote (Palasan @ Sep 23 2022 05:44pm)
Since the evening of September 21, huge queues have formed of people wishing to leave the territory of the Russian Federation at the Russian-Georgian border.

After the mobilization announced by Putin, the Russians began to flee the country. As a result, huge traffic jams have formed on the border between Russia and Georgia at the Upper Lars checkpoint. According to the Telegram channel Echo of the Caucasus, to cross the border by car, you have to queue for at least 10 hours.

However, Russians who want to flee the territory of Russia quickly have begun to switch to bicycles and scooters.

“You can’t cross the border on foot, but using roller skates, scooters and bicycles you can get past the border guards faster, in a separate line,” explains the SOTA Telegram channel.

It should be noted that the condition for crossing the Russian-Georgian border – “being on wheels” has already become a “gold mine” for some enterprising local residents.

It should be noted that the Upper Lars checkpoint is the only land crossing through which it is possible to legally enter Georgia, all other methods are illegal or involve a rather large detour through the territory of Azerbaijan.

As reported, during the mobilization in Russia they plan convene at least 300 thousand people.

The seventh secret paragraph of the decree of the President of the Russian Federation Vladimir Putin contains more information on the volume of mobilization in the Russian Federation: to the army can call up to 1 million Russiansthe media say.



Experts have already called the mobilization in Russia “Putin’s funeral campaign”.

https://i.gyazo.com/5aa5dade0aeab7564cc36fd8e9870f75.png


There is a video on twitter showing a Russian buying a scooter so he can cross into Georgia LMAO!


So what's your message here, the mobilization aint happening?

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Sep 23 2022 11:34am
Quote (Djunior @ Sep 23 2022 07:52pm)
So what's your message here, the mobilization aint happening?


Message is that mobilization will be chaotic and messy. I am happy its happening to be honest. Sick and tired of so much time being wasted to deal with Russia. Its time for new age, age of discovery and innovation, of purpose and progress. And while tyrannical dictatorships like China and Russia continue existing the way they are, creating bipolar world and proxy wars we will never get there. Unfortunately due to nuclear weapon it is complex otherwise we would of already captured Russia and used its resources to progress further. World without countries, without borders, without dictators awaits!

Ukraine will play the role of the perfect trojan horse, its not Afghanistan or Iraq where main reasoning for overthrowing dictators is because one group believes one version of bullshit book and the other group the other, and they want to kill each other due to great great grandpa of the other group stole their goat.

Frankly I couldn't care less about Ukraine until very recently where they have proven to be a capable in standing up to tyranny and cronyism, and as they play their role in this I will watch and laugh at Russia crumbling like a statue made of mud in the rain.
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