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Sep 23 2022 03:01am
Quote (ownyaah @ 23 Sep 2022 10:58)
Odessa for example founded by kathrine 200ish years ago, kharkiv, these places have a lot of connections to Russian history/culture, and people there speak only russian, even the ukrs. Even today if odessa got to vote, there is a high likelyhood it would lean Russian by the way. Look at a voting graph from 2014 yanukovich, he was voted by the south, the south wanted him. Yet the north forced him out.

As for kievian Rus, your simplifying something far more complex, your talking about predecessors, whos blood runs in all slavs, not russian or ukranian, but all.


You can't treat voting for yanukovich equally to being pro joining russia.
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Sep 23 2022 03:02am
Quote (BaHgerAUT @ Sep 23 2022 12:01pm)
You can't treat voting for yanukovich equally to being pro joining russia.


Look at the voting pattern, look at the lingustic divide, look at the ethnic divide.

Why does everything overlap? because chicken tendies.. bye

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Sep 23 2022 03:09am
Quote (ownyaah @ 23 Sep 2022 11:02)
Look at the voting pattern, look at the lingustic divide, look at the ethnic divide.

Why does everything overlap? because chicken tendies.. bye


By that Logic every country With similar ethnics is allowed to invade each other
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Sep 23 2022 03:25am
Quote (BaHgerAUT @ Sep 23 2022 12:09pm)
By that Logic every country With similar ethnics is allowed to invade each other


https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/ukraine/images/map-ethno-linguistic.jpg

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and so on and on.

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Sep 23 2022 03:58am
Quote (ferdia @ Sep 23 2022 09:43am)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jp4JvBsAe8Q

Pretty much sums up my views.


That must have been a nightmare to translate :lol:

Potent speech nonetheless. Speed the day when Scotland may also have a head of state that isn't selected from birth right.
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Sep 23 2022 03:59am
Quote (BaHgerAUT @ Sep 23 2022 12:36pm)
So when a Region votes less than 40% you can bomb it. Awesome. Austria is going to invade south tirol then. Over 60% german speaking.



Do i really need to explain things word by word for you?

when a country is divided along linguistic and demographic lines, as well as a voting in 2012 shows us clearly those divides voting differently for seats of power. Then in 2014 the leadership that was voted in by the south/linguistically russian is ousted violently by the north, who didn't vote for them to start with. Then in 2014 these people having been ignored decide to not take part in the vote and start a violent uprising. The uprising takes place in kharkiv, donetsk, odessa etc but fails in most places. In odessa they are burned alive, whilst the ones in donetsk manage to actually formalize a force.

This is a civil war, a demographic war, and one with many undertones of international alliances. It is about russian security, nato/us expansionism and many other things. It presets the stage for the new world order and the chinese expansion/conflicts brewing. But no lets say "russian bad bad". Your a child. Instead of discussing politics you should be watching E-tier drama series.

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Sep 23 2022 04:02am
Quote (kusotarre1 @ Sep 23 2022 12:29am)
This isn't an imperialist war.

Imperialism doesn't mean "big entity attacks little entity." Imperialism is a process of capital extraction from a periphery into a core. That clearly isn't what's happening here.


So stealing all the grain, the port facilities, and the most industrialized parts of the country *isn't* capital extraction. This just in.

Quote (kusotarre1 @ Sep 23 2022 01:08am)
I don't know what you mean. The 'liberation of East Ukraine" doesn't seem to me to have much if anything to do with extracting value. Ukraine has built basically nothing since the 1991 collapse of the USSR. What is there to extract from that Russia doesn't already have?

This is a war about security, namely halting the eastward expansion of NATO.


LMFAO, you're gonna peddle this bullshit and expect to be taken seriously???

NATO is already on their border.

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Sep 23 2022 04:21am
Quote (Santara @ Sep 23 2022 01:02pm)
So stealing all the grain, the port facilities, and the most industrialized parts of the country *isn't* capital extraction. This just in.



LMFAO, you're gonna peddle this bullshit and expect to be taken seriously???

NATO is already on their border.


There is definitely a economic-factor involved, but it isn't the main reason.

Nato being on their largest border (west) isn't comparable to tiny baltic states. Finland hurts a bit more tho, but there is chokepoints along the finnish-russian border so that is more acceptable than ukr.

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Sep 23 2022 04:36am
Quote (ownyaah @ Sep 23 2022 01:58am)
I'll give you an example, the only reason the 2nd fin-soviet war ended was because finland signed a treaty where they would remain neutral in perpetuity. Now they are joining nato.

Every deal, written or not with west has been worth less than toilet paper.

West wants a monopoly on ethics, morals, violence, interests etc This won't be the case anymore and your children will have to deal with learning mandarin. There is no rule of law with europeans/americans, only what they want is part of the equation.


Gonna complain about violating neutrality when the Soviets violated Finland's neutrality and invaded Finland during the Winter War in the first place???

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