I don't know what you mean. The 'liberation of East Ukraine" doesn't seem to me to have much if anything to do with extracting value. Ukraine has built basically nothing since the 1991 collapse of the USSR. What is there to extract from that Russia doesn't already have?

This is a war about security, namely halting the eastward expansion of NATO.

Last east expansion : 2004 ; It's the countries that fear russia and turn to NATO, not an active expansion.
Furthermore there were guarantees that ukraine doesn't join, but Putin didn't care.

It's Putins westward expansion that caused the war.

This post was edited by BaHgerAUT on Sep 23 2022 12:34am

gorbachev was promised no eastward expansion after germany was reunited.

stop rewriting history whimsically

yeah please show me the contract where everyone signed.

https://hls.harvard.edu/today/there-was-no-promise-not-to-enlarge-nato/

it's not even sure that this statements ever happened.

Nobody is that stupid to do that by word. Even i at work sometimes require an email so i can proof what we just discussed by telephone.

I'll give you an example, the only reason the 2nd fin-soviet war ended was because finland signed a treaty where they would remain neutral in perpetuity. Now they are joining nato.

Every deal, written or not with west has been worth less than toilet paper.

West wants a monopoly on ethics, morals, violence, interests etc This won't be the case anymore and your children will have to deal with learning mandarin. There is no rule of law with europeans/americans, only what they want is part of the equation.

This post was edited by ownyaah on Sep 23 2022 12:59am

Actually, Gorbachev was precisely that stupid. A stupid fucking idiot whose political decisions led to Russian children sucking dick for 10 rubles.

That will not be repeated.

This post was edited by kusotarre1 on Sep 23 2022 12:59am

its not about written or not, the example i gave about finnish neutrality in perpetuity is written formal agreement. Now they joined nato.. What happened with perpetuity?

In this world only power is recognized, economical or force. Russians need to destroy ukraine and take what they want or fuckoff to moscow. Really that simple.

Ever heard of Minsk II?

Finland joins because they are afraid of russia after their attack on ukraine. Before this their population was against joining the nato.

"neutrality in perpetuity"

Go fuck urself.

Deals don't mean anything, and west isn't as innocent as you think. But its russians fault for letting them corner them to this degree, they shouldve carpet bombed kiev in february and taught them a lesson in dipolmacy.

This post was edited by ownyaah on Sep 23 2022 01:08am

I never said the west would be innocent. But in case of Ukraine it's pretty clear who broke all the deals.
Russias government is even fucking with their own people. And weirdly enough most happily bend over.