Quote (ownyaah @ Sep 22 2022 08:11am)
Podolyak was saying 200 kia per day. That is around 40000 dead. If russia/lpr/dpr/wagner has 20000 deaths that would mean a 1:2 ratio.
I think both sides are full of shit and deaths are closer to 1.5:1 in russias favour so far. But i do expect ratio to favour russians far more if they inc density and just pound in a defensive war.
If they go on the move to take zap-city and other big offensives (outside of donestk), then ratio should hover around 1-1.5ish.
The Pentagon is saying between 100-200 per day, while simultaneously estimating 70k-80k Russian casualties as of last month. Keep in mind casualties = KIA + wounded. But if the general ratio of 3:1 wounded to killed holds up, 80k casualties = 20k dead and would be in keeping with other estimates.
I agree that 1.5:1 in Russia's favor is probably accurate.
Quote (ofthevoid @ Sep 22 2022 06:25am)
That 5k number is masking true losses on Russia's side because the bulk of the forces doing war on their side are dnpr/lnpr conscripts and contract fighters like wagner. So those losses wouldn't be getting counted towards official military losses.
On Ukraine's side, I don't think the ratio is that high but 3:1 or 2:1 is realistic. One factor that you're ignoring is the fact that this is an artillery war which Russia has vast superiority and Ukrainian forces on the front repeatedly have said that they get shelled at much higher rates versus what they fire. You don't have to be a genius to deduce the side that get's shelled by artillery rounds more will have more casualties.
Yes, Russia greatly outclasses Ukraine in artillery, but it's not just an artillery war. Thousands of tanks, APCs, IFVs, trucks, etc have been destroyed. If we were to assume that only the driver was killed, that's thousands of men right there, much less infantry actions and Ukrainian artillery.
Quote (chopstickz777 @ Sep 22 2022 09:44am)
Russia gave their casualties. It's around 6 thousand, with more than half of those sustained during the first two months due to the heavy offensive operations. Things have slowed down since then.
That doesn't count DPR/LPR or Wagner or the Chechens, throw them in and the casualties for allied forces are around 15k.
Ukraine is much higher due to the extremely high casualty rate caused by Russian shelling. I mean, they lost 5k trying to attack Kherson and by all accounts, another 5k or so when they went into Kharkov.
It truly is a war, down to the "last Ukrainian"
The entire male Ukrainian population shall be sacrificed to fit the needs of Brandon & Co
Casualty = KIA plus wounded, FYI.