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Sep 21 2022 09:10am
Quote (ferdia @ 21 Sep 2022 17:04)
A minor clarification - the west had been sending weapons and money to Ukraine in vast quantities since 2014, not since the start of the recent invasion ( they simply sent more after the invasion).
Link: https://theconversation.com/in-2014-the-decrepit-ukrainian-army-hit-the-refresh-button-eight-years-later-its-paying-off-177881 (there are alot of links like this one in case you dont agree with the content of this link).

Before the Russian invasion, the West didn't send huge numbers of heavy artillery and tanks to Ukraine. You can't reconquer a place like Crimea with stingers and javelins...
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With any luck the paste will fertilize the land and make it farmable in just a few decades.

We could even export our aborted fetuses there once roe is reinstated to help out the process


With luck the paste will fertilize all dem shitholes including your fat ass
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Sep 20 2022 07:46pm)
And how will Russia take care of the "liberated" Ukrainian civilians? Oh right, the first thing the Russian occupiers do whenever they take a village or city is to set up a torture chamber and a rape dungeon. :rolleyes:


Unlike Ukraine we see Russia distributing humanitarian aid and providing basic services to all civilians, the vast majority of whom are thankful for Russian assistance and hold the Russians in higher regard than their own nation's military, which makes sense since the Ukrainian army has been shelling them and trying to kill them for years after having been labeled subhuman scum that needs to get wiped out by the fascists over in Kiev. But I guess you missed that part, which isn't surprising - you aren't all that bright and you miss quite a few things. But you continue to spread nonsensical low-IQ propaganda straight outta WaPo, ironically. When will you finally rub your two brain cells together and realize the MSM is lying to you? Fucking facepalm dude.

Most of those who don't want to live under Russian rule have already left for Western Ukraine or Europe, the few that remain and who turn collaborators with the UkroNazis will simply be arrested by the FSB. But they are a small minority.

There are no rape or torture dungeons, although ironically it is actually the Ukrainian SBU who does those.. aimed at their own nation's citizens who "dissent", no less. But hey, apparently you don't actually care about Ukrainian civilians, but only about hating Russia. The same goes for most westerners.

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The Russian attempts at dividing European countries are getting more desperate by the day...

The Polish are rabidly russophobic, no one in Europe hates your country more than them. They also have a much more modern military than Ukraine did, and they are a member of NATO. In case you didn't notice, the original spin of the apologists of this war was that "Russia has a legitimate interest to prevent NATO from expanding into Ukraine, right on Russia's doorstep" - and now you suggest to split Ukraine up such that NATO members Poland and Romania would expand eastwards and share a border with Russia. Maybe you should point out to your handler that the propaganda talking points they hand to you and your coworkers are contradicting themselves. ^^


Yes I'm aware of how the Eurolemmings have gone full Russophobe. That is why they are embracing the modern incarnation of the Nazi movement in Ukraine. Europe has re-embraced fascism and is openly supporting neonazi filth in Ukraine while at the same time working on enslaving their own people at home.

Europe is a joke and should be utterly ashamed of itself. They are a disgrace to their ancestors who fought in ww2 and a total fucking disgrace to every single politician that embraced peace in the post-ww2 aftermath. They have spit on their own legacy and are now once again destroying themselves just to try and finally destroy Russia, just like what they did with Napoleon's "Grand Armee" and with Hitler's Third Reich. Now they are doing it again through a proxy war in Ukraine, by once again providing support for Nazis. Europe has learned nothing from its own past and is now in the process of repeating it. Of course, it helps that every single Eurolemming government is totally subservient to the WEF, with the sole exception of Hungary apparently.

But none of that will stop the Poles or Romanians from grabbing UkroNazi territory once Ukraine disintegrates. They are inherently greedy, scheming, petty people. They will grab land. And Ukraine's disintegration by the way is a 100% guarantee. All that will be left of Ukraine when this is done is a tiny, mini-Banderastan comprised of Lviv and some of the areas around it where the UkroNazi ideology has taken a very strong hold. Russia will not want this area. They will however, take the entire east and southern coastal areas. They will get Odessa and they will make that land bridge to Transnistria. Ukraine signed its own death warrant when it refused to negotiate after Brandon and Boris Johnson gave them the order not to.

Russia won't care that some of these areas they take might end up sharing a border with Poland and Romania. The land that was formerly Ukraine will nevertheless serve as an additional buffer between the Russian mainland and NATO. Along with giving them a whole other host of benefits. But I digress, you're smart enough to understand hopefully.

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Sep 21 2022 09:15am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Sep 21 2022 04:10pm)
Before the Russian invasion, the West didn't send huge numbers of heavy artillery and tanks to Ukraine. You can't reconquer a place like Crimea with stingers and javelins...


i concede this point, nevertheless the west did prepare Ukraine, to a degree, for this war, for years, can we agree on this?

This post was edited by ferdia on Sep 21 2022 09:15am
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Also note how chopstickz, one of their propaganda trolls, just yesterday literally suggested splitting Ukraine up between Poland, Romania and Russia - a scenario which would create yet another eastward expansion of NATO and a new, lengthy NATO-Russia border on the territory of the state formerly known as Ukraine. They couldn't make it any clearer that the pretext for this invasion was always just a load of bullshit.


I'm a white boy who grew up in missouri. I think it's funny you continue to call me a russian troll through - really speaks volumes to your level of intelligence.
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Quote (chopstickz777 @ Sep 21 2022 04:13pm)
Unlike Ukraine we see Russia distributing humanitarian aid and providing basic services to all civilians, the vast majority of whom are thankful for Russian assistance and hold the Russians in higher regard than their own nation's military, which makes sense since the Ukrainian army has been shelling them and trying to kill them for years after having been labeled subhuman scum that needs to get wiped out by the fascists over in Kiev. But I guess you missed that part, which isn't surprising - you aren't all that bright and you miss quite a few things. But you continue to spread nonsensical low-IQ propaganda straight outta WaPo, ironically. When will you finally rub your two brain cells together and realize the MSM is lying to you? Fucking facepalm dude.

Most of those who don't want to live under Russian rule have already left for Western Ukraine or Europe, the few that remain and who turn collaborators with the UkroNazis will simply be arrested by the FSB. But they are a small minority.

There are no rape or torture dungeons, although ironically it is actually the Ukrainian SBU who does those.. aimed at their own nation's citizens who "dissent", no less. But hey, apparently you don't actually care about Ukrainian civilians, but only about hating Russia. The same goes for most westerners.


Yes I'm aware of how the Eurolemmings have gone full Russophobe. That is why they are embracing the modern incarnation of the Nazi movement in Ukraine. Europe has re-embraced fascism and is openly supporting neonazi filth in Ukraine while at the same time working on enslaving their own people at home.

Europe is a joke and should be utterly ashamed of itself. They are a disgrace to their ancestors who fought in ww2 and a total fucking disgrace to every single politician that embraced peace in the post-ww2 aftermath. They have spit on their own legacy and are now once again destroying themselves just to try and finally destroy Russia, just like what they did with Napoleon's "Grand Armee" and with Hitler's Third Reich. Now they are doing it again through a proxy war in Ukraine, by once again providing support for Nazis. Europe has learned nothing from its own past and is now in the process of repeating it. Of course, it helps that every single Eurolemming government is totally subservient to the WEF, with the sole exception of Hungary apparently.

But none of that will stop the Poles or Romanians from grabbing UkroNazi territory once Ukraine disintegrates. They are inherently greedy, scheming, petty people. They will grab land. And Ukraine's disintegration by the way is a 100% guarantee. All that will be left of Ukraine when this is done is a tiny, mini-Banderastan comprised of Lviv and some of the areas around it where the UkroNazi ideology has taken a very strong hold. Russia will not want this area. They will however, take the entire east and southern coastal areas. They will get Odessa and they will make that land bridge to Transnistria. Ukraine signed its own death warrant when it refused to negotiate after Brandon and Boris Johnson gave them the order not to.

Russia won't care that some of these areas they take might end up sharing a border with Poland and Romania. The land that was formerly Ukraine will nevertheless serve as an additional buffer between the Russian mainland and NATO. Along with giving them a whole other host of benefits. But I digress, you're smart enough to understand hopefully.


some comments here:

1. While it is true that Ukraine shelled its own people for years, one should not deny that Russia has also committed atrocities.
2. Personal attacks due to a difference in view is crass and against this sites terms of service. i.e. you could be warned, or banned. therefore recommend you ease off on the personal attacks. While I have said the same to those that refer to Russians as Orc's (they are not Orc's ok people) nevertheless it persists. As this is a western website a degree of latitude is expected, provided it does not get toooo out of hand. (we dont live in an ideal world).
3. The No rape/torture comments conflict with human history and what we have already heard about over the last few months - committed by both sides.
4. There is nothing in the current narrative to suggest Ukraine would cease to exist as a country, not sure where you are getting that from, its outside of logic.

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This post was edited by ferdia on Sep 21 2022 09:27am
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i concede this point, nevertheless the west did prepare Ukraine, to a degree, for this war, for years, can we agree on this?

Yes, obviously they did. And it was a good decision, Ukraine would have gotten overrun during the early days of the invasion if not for their large stockpile of javelins and stingers. Sending them heavy arms is a different kind of beast though, particularly since Ukraine isn't a 100% reliable and trustworthy partner. I really doubt that the West would have agreed to ship them these kinds of weapons without the Russian invasion.


Quote (chopstickz777 @ 21 Sep 2022 17:18)
I'm a white boy who grew up in missouri. I think it's funny you continue to call me a russian troll through - really speaks volumes to your level of intelligence.


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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Sep 21 2022 04:28pm)
Yes, obviously they did. And it was a good decision, Ukraine would have gotten overrun during the early days of the invasion if not for their large stockpile of javelins and stingers. Sending them heavy arms is a different kind of beast though, particularly since Ukraine isn't a 100% reliable and trustworthy partner. I really doubt that the West would have agreed to ship them these kinds of weapons without the Russian invasion.



https://c.tenor.com/eC0kei6wQ7oAAAAC/alright-jennifer-lawrence.gif


On Topic : Its semantic's as to what may or may not have happened had the West not sent billions of arms to Ukraine since 2014.

Off topic : thats my favourite gif.

also, are there white boys in missouri ?

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Quote (chopstickz777 @ Sep 21 2022 11:13am)
Unlike Ukraine we see Russia distributing humanitarian aid and providing basic services to all civilians, the vast majority of whom are thankful for Russian assistance and hold the Russians in higher regard than their own nation's military, which makes sense since the Ukrainian army has been shelling them and trying to kill them for years after having been labeled subhuman scum that needs to get wiped out by the fascists over in Kiev. But I guess you missed that part, which isn't surprising - you aren't all that bright and you miss quite a few things. But you continue to spread nonsensical low-IQ propaganda straight outta WaPo, ironically. When will you finally rub your two brain cells together and realize the MSM is lying to you? Fucking facepalm dude.

Most of those who don't want to live under Russian rule have already left for Western Ukraine or Europe, the few that remain and who turn collaborators with the UkroNazis will simply be arrested by the FSB. But they are a small minority.

There are no rape or torture dungeons, although ironically it is actually the Ukrainian SBU who does those.. aimed at their own nation's citizens who "dissent", no less. But hey, apparently you don't actually care about Ukrainian civilians, but only about hating Russia. The same goes for most westerners.



Yes I'm aware of how the Eurolemmings have gone full Russophobe. That is why they are embracing the modern incarnation of the Nazi movement in Ukraine. Europe has re-embraced fascism and is openly supporting neonazi filth in Ukraine while at the same time working on enslaving their own people at home.

Europe is a joke and should be utterly ashamed of itself. They are a disgrace to their ancestors who fought in ww2 and a total fucking disgrace to every single politician that embraced peace in the post-ww2 aftermath. They have spit on their own legacy and are now once again destroying themselves just to try and finally destroy Russia, just like what they did with Napoleon's "Grand Armee" and with Hitler's Third Reich. Now they are doing it again through a proxy war in Ukraine, by once again providing support for Nazis. Europe has learned nothing from its own past and is now in the process of repeating it. Of course, it helps that every single Eurolemming government is totally subservient to the WEF, with the sole exception of Hungary apparently.

But none of that will stop the Poles or Romanians from grabbing UkroNazi territory once Ukraine disintegrates. They are inherently greedy, scheming, petty people. They will grab land. And Ukraine's disintegration by the way is a 100% guarantee. All that will be left of Ukraine when this is done is a tiny, mini-Banderastan comprised of Lviv and some of the areas around it where the UkroNazi ideology has taken a very strong hold. Russia will not want this area. They will however, take the entire east and southern coastal areas. They will get Odessa and they will make that land bridge to Transnistria. Ukraine signed its own death warrant when it refused to negotiate after Brandon and Boris Johnson gave them the order not to.

Russia won't care that some of these areas they take might end up sharing a border with Poland and Romania. The land that was formerly Ukraine will nevertheless serve as an additional buffer between the Russian mainland and NATO. Along with giving them a whole other host of benefits. But I digress, you're smart enough to understand hopefully.


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