Imagine waiting 8 months for blizz to announce ladder reset, then Putin declares that you'll be heading to winter in a trench in Ukraine. Fuck

This post was edited by Prox1m1ty on Sep 21 2022 02:36am

well its escalating. still no sign of the transcript. if anyone has it can they dump it here ? i guess there will be alot of things said over the next 24-48 hours.

all i found was this: http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/69390

As per federal laws No. 61-FZ On Defence, dated May 31, 1996, and No. 31-FZ On Mobilisation Preparations and Mobilisation in the Russian Federation, dated February 26, 1997, and Federal Law No. 53-FZ On the Military Duty and Military Service, dated March 28, 1998, the President declared a partial mobilisation in the Russian Federation as of September 21, 2022.

The Executive Order provides for calling up citizens of the Russian Federation for service in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation as part of the mobilisation effort. Citizens of the Russian Federation called up for military service as part of mobilisation will enjoy the status of military personnel serving in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation under contract. The Executive Order sets forth money allowances for the citizens of the Russian Federation called up for military service as part of mobilisation, as well as the duration of the military service contracts signed by the military personnel, grounds for discharging military personnel serving under contract, as well as citizens called up for military service in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation as part of mobilisation. Corresponding instructions have been issued to the Government of the Russian Federation and top government officials in the constituent entities of the Russian Federation.

Under the Executive Order, citizens of the Russian Federation employed by defence companies will benefit from an exemption from the mobilisation draft for the period of their employment by these organisations. The Government of the Russian Federation shall define the categories of citizens of the Russian Federation who have the right to draft exemptions and the manner in which these exemptions shall be provided.

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Oh, found this as well:

President of Russia Vladimir Putin: Friends,

The subject of this address is the situation in Donbass and the course of the special military operation to liberate it from the neo-Nazi regime, which seized power in Ukraine in 2014 as the result of an armed state coup.

Today I am addressing you – all citizens of our country, people of different generations, ages and ethnicities, the people of our great Motherland, all who are united by the great historical Russia, soldiers, officers and volunteers who are fighting on the frontline and doing their combat duty, our brothers and sisters in the Donetsk and Lugansk people’s republics, Kherson and Zaporozhye regions and other areas that have been liberated from the neo-Nazi regime.

The issue concerns the necessary, imperative measures to protect the sovereignty, security and territorial integrity of Russia and support the desire and will of our compatriots to choose their future independently, and the aggressive policy of some Western elites, who are doing their utmost to preserve their domination and with this aim in view are trying to block and suppress any sovereign and independent development centres in order to continue to aggressively force their will and pseudo-values on other countries and nations.

The goal of that part of the West is to weaken, divide and ultimately destroy our country. They are saying openly now that in 1991 they managed to split up the Soviet Union and now is the time to do the same to Russia, which must be divided into numerous regions that would be at deadly feud with each other.

They devised these plans long ago. They encouraged groups of international terrorists in the Caucasus and moved NATO’s offensive infrastructure close to our borders. They used indiscriminate Russophobia as a weapon, including by nurturing the hatred of Russia for decades, primarily in Ukraine, which was designed to become an anti-Russia bridgehead. They turned the Ukrainian people into cannon fodder and pushed them into a war with Russia, which they unleashed back in 2014. They used the army against civilians and organised a genocide, blockade and terror against those who refused to recognise the government that was created in Ukraine as the result of a state coup.

After the Kiev regime publicly refused to settle the issue of Donbass peacefully and went as far as to announce its ambition to possess nuclear weapons, it became clear that a new offensive in Donbass – there were two of them before – was inevitable, and that it would be inevitably followed by an attack on Russia’s Crimea, that is, on Russia.

In this connection, the decision to start a pre-emptive military operation was necessary and the only option. The main goal of this operation, which is to liberate the whole of Donbass, remains unaltered.

The Lugansk People’s Republic has been liberated from the neo-Nazis almost completely. Fighting in the Donetsk People’s Republic continues. Over the previous eight years, the Kiev occupation regime created a deeply echeloned line of permanent defences. A head-on attack against them would have led to heavy losses, which is why our units, as well as the forces of the Donbass republics, are acting competently and systematically, using military equipment and saving lives, moving step by step to liberate Donbass, purge cities and towns of the neo-Nazis, and help the people whom the Kiev regime turned into hostages and human shields.

As you know, professional military personnel serving under contract are taking part in the special military operation. Fighting side by side with them are volunteer units – people of different ethnicities, professions and ages who are real patriots. They answered the call of their hearts to rise up in defence of Russia and Donbass.

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I wonder if the above will be aired on western news stations.

This post was edited by ferdia on Sep 21 2022 02:43am

Waiting for all the nutters who claimed that Russia cannot and therefore will not mobilize.

Go

This post was edited by Djunior on Sep 21 2022 02:49am

It's still to be seen how successful that mobilization is going to be. It's not easy to manage that. In the next 1-2 Months it shouldn't impact the war at all, maybe russia is even more busy with logistics than before.

Funny how he still doesn't call it a "war"

This post was edited by BaHgerAUT on Sep 21 2022 02:54am

Ah, so Russia doesn't know how to mobilize and even if they manage to mobilize it won't impact the war?

What MSM news outlet are you watching?

my read on his comments are as follows:

1. it will take time for Russia to mobilize, and in that time little will be seen.
2. the 2nd take away is that yes, they are still not calling it a war (when it clearly is).

I will dissect his speech later.

This post was edited by ferdia on Sep 21 2022 03:51am

OK, as an exercise, the speech and my comments.

Color code: Red= bullshit, Black= ok fine.

President of Russia Vladimir Putin: Friends,

The subject of this address is the situation in Donbass and the course of the special military operation (its a war ok) to liberate (invade/take over) it from the neo-Nazi regime (its not a neo-nazi regime), which seized power in Ukraine in 2014 (true) as the result of an armed state coup (also true, but accept that the existing government was a semi puppet actor for Russia).

Today I am addressing you – all citizens of our country, people of different generations, ages and ethnicities, the people of our great Motherland, all who are united by the great historical Russia, soldiers, officers and volunteers who are fighting on the frontline and doing their combat duty, our brothers and sisters in the Donetsk and Lugansk people’s republics, Kherson and Zaporozhye regions and other areas that have been liberated from the neo-Nazi regime(not a neo-Nazi regime).

The issue concerns the necessary, imperative measures to protect the sovereignty, security and territorial integrity of Russia (perceived, but ok) and support the desire and will of our compatriots to choose their future independently (No. not allowing Ukraine to be independent ), and the aggressive policy of some Western elites (true), who are doing their utmost to preserve their domination (also true) and with this aim in view are trying to block and suppress any sovereign and independent development centres in order to continue to aggressively force their will and pseudo-values on other countries and nations (true).

The goal of that part of the West is to weaken, divide and ultimately destroy our country (true). They are saying openly now that in 1991 they managed to split up the Soviet Union and now is the time to do the same to Russia, which must be divided into numerous regions that would be at deadly feud with each other (on balance, true).

They devised these plans long ago (true). They encouraged groups of international terrorists in the Caucasus (true) and moved NATO’s offensive infrastructure close to our borders (true). They used indiscriminate Russophobia as a weapon (true), including by nurturing the hatred of Russia for decades (true), primarily in Ukraine (true), which was designed to become an anti-Russia bridgehead (true). They turned the Ukrainian people into cannon fodder (true) and pushed them into a war with Russia (true), which they unleashed back in 2014 (not sure what war in 2014 he is referring to, but i get what he is saying). They used the army against civilians and organised a genocide(true), blockade (true) and terror against those who refused to recognise the government that was created in Ukraine (true) as the result of a state coup (true).

After the Kiev regime publicly refused to settle the issue of Donbass peacefully (true) and went as far as to announce its ambition to possess nuclear weapons (true), it became clear that a new offensive in Donbass – there were two of them before – was inevitable (true), and that it would be inevitably followed by an attack on Russia’s Crimea, that is, on Russia(not sure).

In this connection, the decision to start a pre-emptive military operation was necessary and the only option (from Putin's standpoint - true). The main goal of this operation, which is to liberate the whole of Donbass, remains unaltered (invade, land grab buffer zone).

The Lugansk People’s Republic has been liberated(invaded) from the neo-Nazis (its not a neo-nazi government) almost completely(?). Fighting in the Donetsk People’s Republic continues. Over the previous eight years, the Kiev occupation regime created a deeply echeloned line of permanent defences (true). A head-on attack against them would have led to heavy losses (true), which is why our units, as well as the forces of the Donbass republics, are acting competently and systematically, using military equipment and saving lives, moving step by step to liberate Donbass, (whatever) purge cities and towns of the neo-Nazis (true, mass graves etc), and help the people whom the Kiev regime (its not a regime, yet) turned into hostages and human shields (how many Ukrainians captured will never be seen again).

As you know, professional military personnel serving under contract are taking part in the special military operation. Fighting side by side with them are volunteer units (uh oh, but same on Ukraine's side) – people of different ethnicities, professions and ages who are real patriots. They answered the call of their hearts to rise up in defence of Russia and Donbass.

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I was going to wiki this (provide links for each point as proof) but i realise my time editing this post is about to expire. oh well. happy to debate.
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also a clarification on Ukraine's Nuclear weapons (found this on my travels, was not aware of the nuance, but then i didnt look really hard before):

When the Soviet Union broke up in 1991, there were thousands of former Soviet nuclear warheads, as well as hundreds of intercontinental ballistic missiles and bombers, left on Ukraine’s territory, which it decided to transfer to Russia. Ukraine never had an independent nuclear weapons arsenal, or control over these weapons, but agreed to remove former Soviet weapons stationed on its territory. In 1992, Ukraine signed the Lisbon Protocol and it joined the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty as a non-nuclear weapon state in 1994. The transfer of all nuclear material took some time, but by 2001, all nuclear weapons had been transferred to Russia to be dismantled and all launch silos decommissioned.

While some may ask if Russia would have invaded Ukraine if it still had Soviet nuclear weapons stationed on its territory, there is little convincing historical evidence that the possession or presence of nuclear weapons definitively prevents conflict, when many other variables may be considered, including the prohibition of the use of force under the UN Charter or even just luck. Even beyond this, it is not clear that Ukraine would have been able to take control of former Soviet nuclear weapons, technically or politically. What we do know is that the possession of nuclear weapons by Russia and the United States clearly has not prevented the threat of conflict between Russia and a U.S. ally or the potential humanitarian consequences of any conflict for civilians in the region. Read more about Ukraine and nuclear weapons.

This post was edited by ferdia on Sep 21 2022 04:23am

At least ferdia got what i was trying to say.

Lots of your red text refers to alleged neo nazis. While I agree the Ukrainian government aren't nazis the truth is that Azov and other groups consists of a wild mix of ultra nationalists / neo nazis / far right movements.

Plenty evidence available, Western news outlets reported on this issue before the war and they def recognized this as a problem.

there are neo nazi elements in ukraine. either political parties or militia. that does not make them a neo nazi goverment. hope this clarifies.