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Quote (kusotarre1 @ Sep 19 2022 03:15pm)
Of course you do, because you live in a society where nothing ever changes, where it's an act of imagination to expect things to actually improve over time. Not so in China.

Every time I go back to China it's a different country. Chinese people have seen their lives dramatically change, going from being perhaps the poorest country in the world in 1949 to being, by some measures, as much as 30% of the entire global economy. So not only do they see that their government has been highly effective at the national level, they expect it to continue to get better, which is why Chinese people (again, unlike Westerners) are very optimistic about the future.


But you're dodging my question. You are claiming that Chinese people are lying when they report enormous levels of satisfaction with the national government, saying that if they said otherwise they'd face punishment. However, they are simultaneously doing exactly that thing you say they aren't allowed to do when they criticize their sub-national governments.

So something has to give. Clearly they are allowed to express their dissatisfaction.

Honestly, this conversation is insane for someone whose spent a lot of time in China. You're trying so hard to find some way to deny this thing that anyone who speaks or reads Mandarin knows is completely and obviously true.


Criticize? Or say they're dissatisfied. They are not the same thing. The polling indicated the latter, not the former. It strikes me that you're taking satisfaction with double-digit annual growth rates for ages, and equating it with satisfaction totalitarian policy.
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FWIW I think Palasan is Lviv, who was banned last month. Lviv joined, made a few fake trade posts, then spent all his time posting here. Palasan has done the same thing. Zero verifiable trades, just posts here.


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Criticize? Or say they're dissatisfied. They are not the same thing. The polling indicated the latter, not the former. It strikes me that you're taking satisfaction with double-digit annual growth rates for ages, and equating it with satisfaction totalitarian policy.

Again, dodging. Why are they unable to say the central government is unsatisfactory, but able to say their municipal and provincial government is unsatisfactory?

You know, there are easier ways to resolve the cognitive dissonance you're experiencing than to spend all this time trying to find ways to dismiss these uncomfortable facts about what Chinese people think and believe.
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Sep 19 2022 04:10pm
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Again, dodging. Why are they unable to say the central government is unsatisfactory, but able to say their municipal and provincial government is unsatisfactory?

You know, there are easier ways to resolve the cognitive dissonance you're experiencing than to spend all this time trying to find ways to dismiss these uncomfortable facts about what Chinese people think and believe.


I'm saying they aren't allowed to criticize their government and its policies. Being "unhappy" is vague. Saying you oppose something like the Hong Kong security law is specific, and highly likely to land you in trouble with the CCP.
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I'm saying they aren't allowed to criticize their government and its policies. Being "unhappy" is vague. Saying you oppose something like the Hong Kong security law is specific, and highly likely to land you in trouble with the CCP.

lol, well at least you're backtracking from saying that the poll was wrong, that's progress even if dishonest.

Anyways, you're still wrong but I'm tired of this. You don't know what you're talking about, and getting you even just to retcon yourself is exhausting.

This post was edited by kusotarre1 on Sep 19 2022 04:17pm
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Quote (WastedPenguinz @ Sep 20 2022 12:23am)
why 2 accounts netflix, you couldnt keep up with your caps locks and insulting to mask it, just stick to one account

ya. im a multi with an account created just after d2r launch and 2k+ posts you sir. are a :banana:


At least you admit it

Quote (kusotarre1 @ Sep 20 2022 12:38am)
FWIW I think Palasan is Lviv, who was banned last month. Lviv joined, made a few fake trade posts, then spent all his time posting here. Palasan has done the same thing. Zero verifiable trades, just posts here.


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Quote (WastedPenguinz @ Sep 19 2022 04:23pm)
why 2 accounts netflix, you couldnt keep up with your caps locks and insulting to mask it, just stick to one account

ya. im a multi with an account created just after d2r launch and 2k+ posts you sir. are a :banana:


I barely care enough to read the forum on one account lol

I've never made a multi and you can join the discord to chat if you want a better place than here to talk
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lol, well at least you're backtracking from saying that the poll was wrong, that's progress even if dishonest.

Anyways, you're still wrong but I'm tired of this. You don't know what you're talking about, and getting you even just to retcon yourself is exhausting.


I have been talking about policy since post 12287, and accurately pointed out that you've misrepresented general "satisfaction" as comparable to leveling criticism.
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So anyways, to get this thread back on topic.

It seems the frontline has largely stabilized. There are some areas where Ukraine is still making slow progress, some areas where Russia is making progress. Bakhmut is under threat but it seems unlikely to fall to Russia, surely Ukraine is going to heavily reinforce this. The flooding of the Ingulets continues to pose problems for Ukrainian massing in prep for attacks.

Russia is attacking more power plants, specifically targeting the ancillary parts and not yet punching holes into the actual cores of these facilities. Many people are now saying that Russia is preparing to 'upgrade' this conflict to a less restrictive "counterterrorism" designation, in order to commit more of their forces to Ukraine. Who knows, Russian incompetency and box-checking knows no bounds IMO.

On the Home Front, things are deteriorating. In addition to the catastrophe of non-ferrous metals production I've linked to before, we now know that at least 14 steel mills throughout Europe have shut down at least some of their blast furnaces due to high energy prices. European authorities have been steadfast in saying that they can make it through winter with modest 10% reductions in energy use, but are simultaneously seeking to subsidize gas bills for home use, which will ensure that the cuts to energy use comes from industry. We're already seeing Germany attain net-importer status, so that's pretty troubling.

Fun times ahead!

This post was edited by kusotarre1 on Sep 20 2022 12:43am
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So anyways, to get this thread back on topic.

It seems the frontline has largely stabilized. There are some areas where Ukraine is still making slow progress, some areas where Russia is making progress. Bakhmut is under threat but it seems unlikely to fall to Russia, surely Ukraine is going to heavily reinforce this. The flooding of the Ingulets continues to pose problems for Ukrainian massing in prep for attacks.

Russia is attacking more power plants, specifically targeting the ancillary parts and not yet punching holes into the actual cores of these facilities. Many people are now saying that Russia is preparing to 'upgrade' this conflict to a less restrictive "counterterrorism" designation, in order to commit more of their forces to Ukraine. Who knows, Russian incompetency and box-checking knows no bounds IMO.

On the Home Front, things are deteriorating. In addition to the catastrophe of non-ferrous metals production I've linked to before, we now know that at least 14 steel mills throughout Europe have shut down at least some of their blast furnaces due to high energy prices. European authorities have been steadfast in saying that they can make it through winter with modest 10% reductions in energy use, but are simultaneously seeking to subsidize gas bills for home use, which will ensure that the cuts to energy use comes from industry. We're already seeing Germany attain net-importer status, so that's pretty troubling.

Fun times ahead!


Thanks for that steer back on topic btw.
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