https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=3650#.Xd2FN9TK8Ak

Possible shift towards moderates going on?



Pete and Joe profiting off Warren collapsing, losing half in these polls. Bernie also losing a bit.

Seems like even the Dems really didn't like her MFA plans and her explanation for funding it.

Tbh I'd be totally ok with Pete, Joe and Bernie duking it out on the big stage. Would love to see Amy and Yang in the underdog seat, but I fear that Harris or even Bloomberg will be preferred over them.

Currently my fav pick is Pete. But if there's too much backlash against a gay President I'd rather see it go to Bernie than Joe.

those primary polls are all over the place to be fair:

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/democratic_nomination_polls/

that said, i don't think that his homosexuality is buttigieg's main 'weakness', if any at all - that won't turn democratic voters away from him - it's his (understandably) low favourability with voters of colour.
i'm curious though, why do you personally favour an establishment democrat who will do nothing on campaign finance reform, about getting money out of politics, and who has signaled very clearly that he's against medicare for all or any solution that has the potential to end big pharma's / insurance industry's reign over american healthcare?

For me the age of people like Biden, Warren or Bernie turns me off.

They're so likely to get in a health crisis during a presidency it's not even funny anymore.

Besides, I'm in general a big fan of younger representation in politics.

Agree with this sentiment.

i personally don't think that age itself is a good argument - if it doesn't come with an attitude, and even more importantly, with policies that are generally associated with it. sure, if he had fresh ideas (like yang for example), a vigour to break up established structures, and a concrete vision of how to tackle the most pressing issues head-on, then i'd understand a support for "youth" - but buttigieg is as establishment and party line as it gets. he's basically a white obama: rhetorically brilliant, extremely smart, and vague enough for a wide voter base to project their hopes and expectations into his deliberately unspecific rhetoric when it comes to policies.
he has a significant disadvantage though: he's running after obama, so people who follow politics closely probably won't just buy into that so easily - especially coming from someone so generously supported by the people who vehemently oppose any kind of significant change.

that said, i also see bernie's and biden's age as somewhat problematic. the former might encounter physical challenges, the latter already struggles mentally (not as bad as trump, but still) - but again, i think that policies are much more important than anything else. being young shouldn't qualify you any more than being a woman, a christian, a veteran, or a person of colour - if it does not materialise in specific strengths that a reasonable person could expect to derive from belonging to any of those groups.

I agree that the polls are still all over the place and the race still seems wide open.

Buttigieg's sexuality surely isnt a problem with white liberals, but I could very well see it as a problem with african american voters tbh. On average, black democrats are significantly more moderate or even conservative than white democrats. This is easily explained by a lot of conservative black voters siding with democrats because of their stance on civil rights and racial issues, despite being closer to republicans on most other issues.

So while I think that Buttigieg's struggles with voters of color and his strong appeal to college-educated whites mostly come down to style/habitus and personality, I do think that him being gay does contribute somewhat to these struggles.



I also agree that policies are more important than stylistic aspects or charisma or eloquence. (We two, of course, disagree vastly on almost every policy issue. )

its all over the place cuz there is no front runner
there is no semblance of consistency in who is leading except Biden most of the time - and the less he talks the better he does

https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2019/11/25/suffolk-globe-poll-finds-sanders-warren-buttigieg-biden-all-bunched/sxv6RW9OZ9KHnptwKY151K/story.html?event=event25

Obviously. I wonder if the race would already be effectively over if Warren and Bernie didnt split the progressive vote. As things stand now, the Democratic primaries will end in total chaos and a brokered convention. In the end, Obama might really have to commit and throw his weight behind one of these candidates.

Ooorrrr.... *drumroll*

#Hillary2020

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Nov 28 2019 02:52pm

yeah its still her turn until proven otherwise