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Sep 15 2022 10:49am
https://www.devex.com/news/funding-tracker-who-s-sending-aid-to-ukraine-102887

Thats the real figures, Ukraine is the best investment of $ we have made since South Korea. Sent them 15 billion and they decapitated russia for us.
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Sep 15 2022 11:04am
Quote (Palasan @ Sep 15 2022 12:45pm)
What dirty ass are you pulling these numbers out of lol? The article is about 40 billion aid land lease extended throughout whole conflict, we haven't sent 40 billion to Ukraine lol, and we are biggest supporters of Ukraine all others combined didn't give Ukraine as much as we did.


You seem to be right i have the wrong #. Says it's around 1B total they received.

Thankyou Multi who made an account just for PaRD. You corrected me.

Tho Russia still winning strong and will end up Victorious. As a Canadian, i wanna see Russia wipe the west. Too much of a clown world. We need to reset the western world and clean it from these last few generations and become more like our ancestors who were true men/women.

This post was edited by SunnyvaleTrailerPark on Sep 15 2022 11:05am
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You seem to be right i have the wrong #. Says it's around 1B total they received.

Thankyou Multi who made an account just for PaRD. You corrected me.

Tho Russia still winning strong and will end up Victorious. As a Canadian, i wanna see Russia wipe the west. Too much of a clown world. We need to reset the western world and clean it from these last few generations and become more like our ancestors who were true men/women.


They received around 15 billion non-refundable aid, and 70 billions in loans they will repay with interest.
Ukraine just took back more land in 7 days than Russia captured in 4 months LOL, only thing Russians will be wiping are their bloody asses with cheap toilet paper China provides them with for their oil and natural resources.
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Sep 15 2022 11:13am
I get it, the media managed to make you hate Ukraine without any reasons but their narrative. Russia will still come out victorious. Keep watching the news, it's shaping you into a nice person like the other hundred millions who are a copypasta of you.

Lemme guess, vaccinated + boosters and also think all white = nazi am i right? #BLM #GOLGBTQ...?

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Sep 15 2022 11:41am
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I get it, the media managed to make you hate Ukraine without any reasons but their narrative. Russia will still come out victorious. Keep watching the news, it's shaping you into a nice person like the other hundred millions who are a copypasta of you.

Lemme guess, vaccinated + boosters and also think all white = nazi am i right? #BLM #GOLGBTQ...?


Lets back Pariah 3rd world shitholes that can't defeat countries that have 30x less money, to wipe "the west" and set it straight. NICE LOGIC LOL!
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Sep 15 2022 11:43am
Keep living watching the news and being influenced by all the buzzwords the media want you to parrot.

Have a good life bud and keep using multi to share your opinions because for some reasons, you can't use your real account to do so.!
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Sep 15 2022 11:46am
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Keep living watching the news and being influenced by all the buzzwords the media want you to parrot.

Have a good life bud and keep using multi to share your opinions because for some reasons, you can't use your real account to do so.!


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Sep 15 2022 12:33pm
Quote (Goomshill @ 15 Sep 2022 14:08)
That premise should still be valid. The fact is there's obviously so much more targeting of infrastructure Russia could do with conventional weapons, that we must read into their motives for not doing so. If Russia were about to crack, they would be backed into a corner during a time of war. Escalation would be their out. But we can assume we'd see targeting of civilian infrastructure with conventional bombs and missiles before they're mad enough to use nukes. So if we aren't seeing that, what does it say?

Russia doesn't have an infinite stockpile of high-range, high-quality guided missiles. But that's the type of missile they need to target infrastructure deep in Ukraine's territory, outside the range of their artillery. It's also the reason why they've been using anti-ship missiles to attack land targets for months now. Similarly, they have been unable to establish air supremacy; they have to be scared for their precious jets every time they send them over Ukraine-controlled territory to strike targets like the dam at Kryvyi Rih today. Thus, Russia's lack of more strikes against infrastructure can be explained by the weakness of their military just as well as by "benevolent" restraint. Given the pitiful performance of their troops in this war so far, weakness to me seems far more plausible than restraint.


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Their democratically elected government rejected our overtures

Wrong. You keep repeating this point which fits the Russian narrative on the genesis of this war ("Ukraine wanted to stay with Russia, so the evil West staged an astroturfed coup"), but it's flat out untrue. Ukraine's government was not united in dismissing the West. It was one branch of their government, the executive (represented by Russia-aligned president Yanukovych), which rejected our overtures while another branch, the legislative (represented by their parliament), supported them.

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Russia doesn't have an infinite stockpile of high-range, high-quality guided missiles. But that's the type of missile they need to target infrastructure deep in Ukraine's territory, outside the range of their artillery. It's also the reason why they've been using anti-ship missiles to attack land targets for months now. Similarly, they have been unable to establish air supremacy; they have to be scared for their precious jets every time they send them over Ukraine-controlled territory to strike targets like the dam at Kryvyi Rih today. Thus, Russia's lack of more strikes against infrastructure can be explained by the weakness of their military just as well as by "benevolent" restraint. Given the pitiful performance of their troops in this war so far, weakness to me seems far more plausible than restraint.


They might be limited on missiles but they're clearly not using them to target civilian infrastructure in population centers like Kiev. That's restraint, for whatever reason. Water, electric, etc utilities- they are defenseless and immobile and large targets. We can't explain that as a lack of military capacity when they're clearly striking shit tons of missiles elsewhere deep in Ukraine, and aren't shooting at and missing those infrastructure targets. Not to mention, conventional bombers could be flying in to destroy them. Would they be at risk of anti-air defenses? Sure, but units on the ground are being lost too.

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Wrong. You keep repeating this point which fits the Russian narrative on the genesis of this war ("Ukraine wanted to stay with Russia, so the evil West staged an astroturfed coup"), but it's flat out untrue. Ukraine's government was not united in dismissing the West. It was one branch of their government, the executive (represented by Russia-aligned president Yanukovych), which rejected our overtures while another branch, the legislative (represented by their parliament), supported them.


That's like saying that if the January 6th rioters had overthrown the executive and reinstalled Donald Trump that would not be a coup because its 'just one branch of government'.
There was a clear democratic process in Ukraine and the power to conduct international diplomacy rested largely with the president.

No excuses, no beating around the bush here. It was a US-backed coup to overthrow a democratically elected government and install a regime favorable to the west, with the CIA and state department micromanaging the post-coup government and replacing the Russia-aligned oligarchy with a Western-aligned oligarchy. Which was so transparent and blatant that they installed a CIA director and Joe Biden's crackhead son on the board of Burisma. We can debate just how deep the neo-nazi elements of that revolution went and how involved they were with the 8 year siege and later full blown war in the east, but denying it was a coup is like denying that water is wet
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Sep 15 2022 01:08pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Sep 15 2022 09:46pm)
They might be limited on missiles but they're clearly not using them to target civilian infrastructure in population centers like Kiev. That's restraint, for whatever reason. Water, electric, etc utilities- they are defenseless and immobile and large targets. We can't explain that as a lack of military capacity when they're clearly striking shit tons of missiles elsewhere deep in Ukraine, and aren't shooting at and missing those infrastructure targets. Not to mention, conventional bombers could be flying in to destroy them. Would they be at risk of anti-air defenses? Sure, but units on the ground are being lost too.



That's like saying that if the January 6th rioters had overthrown the executive and reinstalled Donald Trump that would not be a coup because its 'just one branch of government'.
There was a clear democratic process in Ukraine and the power to conduct international diplomacy rested largely with the president.

No excuses, no beating around the bush here. It was a US-backed coup to overthrow a democratically elected government and install a regime favorable to the west, with the CIA and state department micromanaging the post-coup government and replacing the Russia-aligned oligarchy with a Western-aligned oligarchy. Which was so transparent and blatant that they installed a CIA director and Joe Biden's crackhead son on the board of Burisma. We can debate just how deep the neo-nazi elements of that revolution went and how involved they were with the 8 year siege and later full blown war in the east, but denying it was a coup is like denying that water is wet


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