Quote (ofthevoid @ Sep 8 2022 05:03pm)

Few notes on recent campaigns.

Kherson offensive was largely a failure. Ukraine took some towns but nothing really of significance. I'm seeing some say that the Kherson offensive was essentially diversion to pull Russian troops into the southern theatre with the real target being east of Kharkov in the Izium direction. This seems like a logical take in my opinion. Over the last week or so, Ukraine has mounted a significant push into the direction of Izium. They outnumber the Russians significantly and in the last 48 hours or so have been trying to take a key town of Balakliya, which if they capture this then they can move on the highway that connects Russian supply routes to Izium.

So far the Russians are still holding Balakliya but Russian telegram channels I follow acknowledge the town will most likely fall. This would be significant because if they can capture this town they can cut off Izium.

Quote (ferdia @ Sep 8 2022 05:44pm)

and again, this i agree with.

^Djunior your arguement would be in clearer water if you were to argue whether sanctions have had their intended affect, namely a change in policy / strategy from the country being sanctioned. The answer to that is a clear no, and it was ever going to be a no, ergo sanctions have not been used to change russia's strategy, but to isolate russia. to put it another way, they have weaponized sanctions :) Thats a better arguement then to question if sanctions have affected russia (as they clearly have).

Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Sep 8 2022 05:42pm)

I understand just fine. Your argument is "Them being able to make a minimally functional automobile shows they are working around sanctions" and my point is "The fact that they can only barely scrape together one functional automobile without basic safety features just six or so months into sanctions shows they are struggling".



I'd only describe Djunior as balanced if I was being ridiculously generous. He takes his sample from a highly right skewed set of data, and then takes the middle of that without removing any extremes on the right and actively excluding anything center-left.

Quote (Djunior @ Sep 8 2022 12:30pm)

The fact of the matter is that Russia tries to work around the sanctions proven by the fact that they're starting their automotive industry back up. If they failed to start it back up then the sanctions would've hit much harder.

How you feel about it doesn't count. These are simple facts whether people like it or not that Russia is finding ways to workaround the sanctions.

Like I pointed out before there are plenty cars on the road today that don't have airbags.

They produce cars again, sucks for you I guess.

https://www.autoblog.com/2022/06/10/russia-lada-granta-begins-production-ukraine-war/

"New" stripped down version starting at $13200 --> fact

Fun fact it looks better and most likely much safer than the VW beetle which helped get Germans get back on their feet after the war. Y'all simply fail to see the significance of starting their production back up again.

https://i.imgur.com/JyEr6OV.jpg

Inb4 this can't be true, sanctions have shut down their automotive industry QQQQQQQQQ

Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Sep 8 2022 07:48pm)

The fact is they are making a car. It is your OPINION that this shows their economy isn't that bad off. It is a fact you're just regurgitating propaganda from the Kremlin. It is my opinion that you aren't smart enough to realize that's what you're doing.

Quote (Djunior @ Sep 8 2022 12:53pm)

Keep moving the goalposts buddy. We've been talking about the automotive industry and YOU kept claiming it was down, I simply posted factual information they've started it back up which apparently you couldn't handle lol.

You should check the link I posted, it even got a single airbag lol. I bet you're gonna have nightmares xD

Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Sep 8 2022 07:56pm)

So their entire industry is now producing one car, and you wouldn't say that the industry is down? I'd say it's pretty far down honestly.

Your entire argument hinges on "the industry hasnt' been totally destroyed to the point of non-existance, therefore their economy is fine".

You can keep going but you've basically proven my point. They can barely make one type of car. Sounds like their economy is in the shitter and the sanctions are having a pretty brutal impact.

Quote (Djunior @ 8 Sep 2022 19:30)

The fact of the matter is that Russia tries to work around the sanctions proven by the fact that they're starting their automotive industry back up. If they failed to start it back up then the sanctions would've hit much harder.

How you feel about it doesn't count. These are simple facts whether people like it or not that Russia is finding ways to workaround the sanctions.




Like I pointed out before there are plenty cars on the road today that don't have airbags.

They produce cars again, sucks for you I guess.

https://www.autoblog.com/2022/06/10/russia-lada-granta-begins-production-ukraine-war/

"New" stripped down version starting at $13200 --> fact

Fun fact it looks better and most likely much safer than the VW beetle which helped get Germans get back on their feet after the war. Y'all simply fail to see the significance of starting their production back up again.

https://i.imgur.com/JyEr6OV.jpg

Inb4 this can't be true, sanctions have shut down their automotive industry QQQQQQQQQ

E: It actually has a driver airbag, lol. Sucks even more for you ^netflixadaptationwidow

Quote (Djunior @ Sep 8 2022 01:06pm)

You're wrong again buddy. Why don't you inform yourself before embarrassing yourself, lol

Here's the second type they've reintroduced: https://www.drive.com.au/news/lada-niva-production-resumes/

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This change in legislation means that cars can be offered for sale without ABS braking systems (usually supplied by German brand Bosch), forego front-impact crash tests (and thus not require airbags or seatbelt pretensioning systems), SOS-assist functions or even Euro 5 emission controls.

Quote (fender @ Sep 8 2022 08:10pm)

how does it feel to spend your days on the internet trying to make russia, a country that repeatedly invades its neighbours and threatens the world with nuclear war, look good? i hope you're not debasing yourself like that for free, mate...

Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Sep 8 2022 08:12pm)

Oh man, they have TWO! They're making TWO stripped down cars!?!??!?!

Shit the entire crux of my argument has been shattered. This definitely destroys my entire point and dismantles all of the evidence we have that Russia's economy is in the shitter.



Have fun driving this thing. Gonna be a lot of road deaths.