Quote (Skinned @ Jun 10 2022 05:18pm)
They need to see the things they're endorsing though. They are standing against the fundamental principle of peaceful transfer of power. I don't know if many of them are aware that they're endorsing violent power transfers going forward but that is their position and I think it is completely insane.
In regards to discussions about nepotism in your last post, I remember seeing Trump's kids all over the White House where they definitely didn't belong. Since the GOP is anti-meritocracy in general I am surprised at the criticisms tbh.
I don't think so. They see it as a rogue mob that stormed into the capitol fed on emotion. A majority of voters don't want Trump to run again, and yet the Republican party is the more popular party. I don't think appealing to democracy is going to work here. People understand the hypocrisy and learn to ignore it. By Democratic standards, January 6th was a mostly peaceful protest. I think Republicans are more consistent on this, to be honest, and generally recognize that it was an unfortunate and completely regrettable event.
Quote (thundercock @ Jun 10 2022 06:55pm)
Could you be more specific? How do you reconcile this statement with the following:
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/leader-oath-keepers-and-10-other-individuals-indicted-federal-court-seditious-conspiracy-andI believe that my analysis from over a year ago is still correct: you have three classes of people there. The protestors who are just a bunch of misled idiots. They did nothing wrong and were exercising their rights. Nothing wrong with that. The rioters, which is significantly smaller than the number of protestors, were mostly people who had no intention of doing anything destructive but things got out of hand. Some of them were probably planning on LARPing and some of them probably had seditious intent. Each one of those people should be investigated and charged appropriately. Lastly, we have the <1% who ACTUALLY wanted to overthrow the government. Just like any revolution, you only need a handful of true believers and the rest can be useful idiots. Those people should never see the light of day again and we have evidence that they conspired to stop the peaceful transition of power. Maybe you were unaware of the last bit because you're not up to date on the facts.
So once we charge people appropriately, what else can we do? Clearly we have vulnerabilities and they need to be addressed. Should we have explicit legislation that makes the Jan 6 certification explicitly ceremonial? Should we have federal laws regarding faithless electors? Should we pass legislation to protect poll watchers and poll workers? Should we just make recommendations to the states? The system is surprisingly delicate and relies on people acting in good faith.I didn't know that they had upgraded the charges this past January. That said, the "seditious conspiracy" charge refers to an intent to obstruct a ceremony, not to the overthrow of the government. It will be interesting to see if they can prove it in court, given that he never actually entered the Capitol grounds. For my part, I see him as a LARPer. If not for the riot itself, no Oath Keeper would have entered the building, and they did nothing of note once there. I would have him plead guilty to a lesser crime and be done with it.
Bold - They should have dedicated some of the Jan 6th's time to considering that. Why was the Capitol so poorly guarded? Why did they refuse help the day of? There's a lot of incompetence to go around.
Re: certification, they probably should. I wouldn't change the faithless elector law, though, that's for individual states to judge.