agree with that. will see how it pans out over the next few decades. no doubt there will be an escalation in the trade wars between the US and China, If the US can secure a global sanction on China like they have with Russia, they will be very happy. I just dont see what carrot they can give to the rest of the world (read: India, Asia) to convince them of this course of action. My view is that the US expects to win the gamble with china (and russia, hence their current actions).

i mean, it is what it is. i would have thought having good relations with neighbors is the sounder long term strategy. agree on what you can agree, accept there are differences and look for a long term unified outlook re: ideals and common decency. yes i sound very naive at times.

This post was edited by ferdia on Sep 7 2022 09:44am

Our enemies are also significantly weaker than ever which is excellent. Russia isn't even a top 5 power anymore.

Very weird to think that this conflict has not shown that Russia's economy is much bigger and more robust than previously thought. Also ties in to 's comment about China overtaking the US, something I posted about a few pages ago.

Fact is, using GDP to measure the 'size' of an economy is silly. If you first apply purchasing power parity, and then also apply a sufficient devaluing of the service sector (since it isn't actually materially productive) you can calculate Russia's "GDP" to be bigger than Germany's, and China's as almost a third of the entire world's "GDP." I think that given what's happened over the past few months, this is almost obvious.

I've pointed this out right from the start. Russia is energy independent, can grow it's own food and they got 6K nukes handy which means even NATO can't do shit other than fighting a proxy war to the last Ukrainian.

It's wild that the West is still pushing for expansion East. Ukraine will get ruined, the world economy is in shambles and scores of people in poorer countries can't pay the high energy / fertilizer / food prices to name a few.

Looking for who called everyone that dared pointing this out Russian agents to tell me I'm wrong and that I'm a paid Russian troll with a 2010 join date

Yeah, I've said here a few times that Russia is as close to an autarky you can find - that is, energy, food and industrially independent. The absolute worst threat they face is a moderate decline in social outcomes over a period measured in decades.

The West? Sitting high on imperialist value extraction from the Global South. There is so, so far we can fall and we probably will.

What source do we have that Russia's economy hasn't been royally fucked that isn't Kremlin propaganda?

I asked google for you, sad that you're incapable of doing that but here you go, I grabbed the first one that google provided

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/exclusive-russia-forecasts-export-gas-price-will-more-than-double-2022-2022-08-17/

Did you even read the first big line in the article?

EXCLUSIVE Russia sees 38% rise in energy export earnings this year - govt document

It's a known fact that energy prices have soared and that Russia has been selling tons of gas to EU and is still selling oil.

That you believe that Reuters is spreading Russian propaganda shows how clueless you are.

This article is just summing up facts --> xx gas and xx oil bought from Russia at xx prices totals xx, compared to xx total from 2021


You should watch this and note that Russia can keep this up indefinitely





This post was edited by Djunior on Sep 8 2022 01:59am

We've seen enough to know that Russia is not only "not fucked", but whatever economic damage they've suffered so far is far less than what the US and EU have gone through.
Russia's petroeconomy is still chugging along on energy exports, while the US and EU have faced an energy crisis and high inflation and every sign is we're plunging into a far worse winter.


Pretending that NATO is winning this geopolitical struggle doesn't change the fact we're losing this geopolitical struggle.