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Sep 5 2022 05:28am
Quote (babun1024 @ 5 Sep 2022 13:05)
It does make sense. Russia still isn't going all out. Contrary to reports in our media, they try to avoid civilian casualties. Most of the army isn't mobilized for the so called "special operation". You don't want to force their hand with phrases like these.

Russia isn't going for a full mobilization because Putin is a coward who fears that this might be unpopular and undermine his grip on power. And reports about them trying to avoid civilian casualties are complete and utter bullshit, considering the countless Russian attacks on purely civilian targets.

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Quote (babun1024 @ Sep 5 2022 02:15pm)
Tartars are neither Russian nor Ukrainen, they are ethnic Turks. They've got a long history of service in Russian imperial army that's why every single one of them speaks Russian. Due to the deportation policy of previous years, there is a considerable amount of ethnic Russians. Ukraine forcefully annexed them in 1991 against their will. Russia overlooked the matter because Ukraine and Russia were friendly nations. They started to pay rent fee to Ukraine for their fleet in Sewastopol of which native Crimean population didn't see anything. Most of it went to corrupt Kiev government. Then at some point your new friendly overlord who doesn't like to directly stain their hands with blood, USA, came and wanted to station their own forces in Crimea. The election didn't go their way then we had Maidan alias bringing democracy (repeated so often in middle east, copy paste CIA scheme) :lol:
Russia occupied Crimea with 0 resistance and no bloodshed. Your overlords gave you money for one reason though (4 billion dollars to be exact), Sewastopol, so no, instead of building real democracy you procedeeded to do everything to regain Crimea back. Again, that wasn't in Ukrainian people's interests, you can never win a direct confrontation with Russia. Russians then started their diversions at the border, Ukraine sent punitive strikes there and after some years we arrived at the current escalation level. Selensky, a comedian was elected by people to bring peace over Crimea matter. People chose a comedian because they didn't trust the new establishment.


Riveting tale chap
Lol everyone can speak Russian in Ukraine, and wrong Tatars have their own language and prefer to speak it among themselves.

As for no bloodshed:
https://www.france24.com/en/20140318-ukraine-soldier-killed-unknown-forces-base-crimea-military

Once again you prove you know nothing. :)
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Sep 5 2022 06:04am
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Russia isn't going for a full mobilization because Putin is a coward who fears that this might be unpopular and undermine his grip on power. And reports about them trying to avoid civilian casualties are complete and utter bullshit, considering the countless Russian attacks on purely civilian targets.




Trying to "avoid civilian targets" by shooting civilians in the back

lol brainwashed sheeple
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Sep 5 2022 06:48am
Quote (babun1024 @ Sep 5 2022 02:05pm)
It does make sense. Russia still isn't going all out. Contrary to reports in our media, they try to avoid civilian casualties. Most of the army isn't mobilized for the so called "special operation". You don't want to force their hand with phrases like these.




recap on how russia avoids civilian casualties by dropping a bomb from an airplane on a theatre where 1000 civilians where hiding, and had word "children" visible from stratosphere on its yard

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Sep 5 2022 06:53am
In other news, near Kherson after retreat from northern parts of south front, over 100 russian orcs are refusing to continue fighting, officers and commanders included. They are refusing to serve as a cannon fodder and are laying down arms.



Is this the decisive victory?

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Sep 5 2022 09:55am
NO racism please. Yes ukrainians call russians orc's, in ukraine, but this is an international forum, not ukraine. ergo, if the rules are no racism, then its no racism, you cant be selective on stuff like that. "we are only racist against the nations we dislike". - lame.

also, w/e that letter reads, there is no decisive victory on the horizon.

finally, i agree with the comment - there will be no negotiating with the current ukrainian government, noting they will not give an inch. not sure how it even works during war, how can a new (elected) government come about ? happy for anyone to comment on this aspect.

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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Sep 5 2022 03:30am)
This doesn't make any sense. Russia made it perfectly clear that as long as they have the power to subjugate Ukraine, that's exactly what they'll do. Negotiations will only happen if Russia is on the back heel, it they have to acknowledge that further conquests are unlikely and that losing captured territory is a real possibility.

This is directly contrary to reality. Russia tried to get Ukraine to implement Minsk 1 and 2 for almost a decade, and Russia was perfectly willing to negotiate a peace back in May.

https://multipolarista.com/2022/09/03/west-peace-proposal-ukraine-russia/

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According to multiple former senior U.S. officials we spoke with, in April 2022, Russian and Ukrainian negotiators appeared to have tentatively agreed on the outlines of a negotiated interim settlement: Russia would withdraw to its position on February 23, when it controlled part of the Donbas region and all of Crimea, and in exchange, Ukraine would promise not to seek NATO membership and instead receive security guarantees from a number of countries. But as Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov stated in a July interview with his country’s state media, this compromise is no longer an option.

These terms had apparently been ironed out in face-to-face peace talks in Istanbul, Turkey on March 29.

Hill did not reveal what killed the peace process, but the Ukrainska Pravda report from May made it clear that it was Western pressure on Ukraine that sabotaged the negotiated settlement.

As US Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin stated publicly on April 25, Washington’s goal was to use the proxy war in Ukraine to “weaken” Russia.

So clearly Russia isn't opposed to negotiation in principle. It's just that they've come to the conclusion it's not going to happen given Ukraine's status as a puppet.

It's NATO that opposes any diplomacy.

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Russia isn't going for a full mobilization because Putin is a coward who fears that this might be unpopular and undermine his grip on power. And reports about them trying to avoid civilian casualties are complete and utter bullshit, considering the countless Russian attacks on purely civilian targets.

It's actually because he doesn't need to. Russia is able to slowly fight this war (which they argue, who knows, suits their objectives since it leads to a more thorough destruction of Ukraine's army), and is able to constantly rotate troops off the front line for R&R.

It's not clear to me that a full mobilization would even accomplish much, since logistics would probably quickly become a constraining factor. No use having more people on the front if it doesn't result in more artillery being fired.

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Is this the decisive victory?

Why do you even post here? Your only trading posts are you trolling with bugged ammies and other such nonsense, you should have been banned in your first days in this website. You're just a racist troll who alternates between jerking off to hentai and jerking off to war gore on Telegram.

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The Russian Ministry of Defense is in the process of purchasing millions of rockets and artillery shells from North Korea for its ongoing fight in Ukraine, according to a newly downgraded U.S. intelligence finding.


I never expected to read a country buying rockets from North Korea
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This is directly contrary to reality. Russia tried to get Ukraine to implement Minsk 1 and 2 for almost a decade, and Russia was perfectly willing to negotiate a peace back in May.

https://multipolarista.com/2022/09/03/west-peace-proposal-ukraine-russia/


So clearly Russia isn't opposed to negotiation in principle. It's just that they've come to the conclusion it's not going to happen given Ukraine's status as a puppet.

It's NATO that opposes any diplomacy.

Great source my friend. Maybe you want to post an article by moonofalabama to corroborate it? :rofl:

In reality, what Russia wanted to negotiate back in April/May was a peace treaty on Russia's terms which would have amounted to Ukraine's surrender.

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Quote (KrWWW @ Sep 5 2022 08:05pm)
I never expected to read a country buying rockets from North Korea

I have doubts this is true, coming from the people who said Russia would run out of missiles and shells in March. I mean April. I mean May. Etc.

Like, it could be. Russia is ordering drones from Iran, but still. I'd wait for it to happen.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Sep 5 2022 09:43pm)
Great source my friend. Maybe you want to post an article by moonofalabama to corroborate it? :rofl:

The sources in that article are Ukrainian Pravda and the Financial Times.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Sep 5 2022 09:43pm)
In reality, what Russia wanted to negotiate back in April/May was a peace treaty on Russia's terms which would have amounted to Ukraine's surrender.

What they were willing to offer in May was a deal much, much better than anything Ukraine is going to get now. Much worse than adhering to Minsk 2, but Ukraine believed NATO would back them up. Now, or rather in a few more months or years, there isn't going to be any negotiation but rather an imposed peace. A capitulation. It will probably come after the back of the Ukrainian forces are broken, and it will probably lead to Ukraine being a land-locked state with all of it's industrial capacity located in former territories to it's south and east.

All of these terms, from Minsk 1 to any future resolution, are and were on Russia's terms. It always was, all that's happening as time goes on is that Ukraine loses more and more bargaining power. This is what Western fantasies breed. Westies have serious Main Character delusions, they think that because the post-WW2 world benefited them that destiny benefits them. Historians will look back on the period of European and American imperialism as awful blips in human history, before things were set back to what they've otherwise been for thousands of years, with Asia as the seat of the largest economies, and trade running primarily through the southern oceans and West Asia.
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