Is life supposed to be frozen in the safe parts of the country, just because there's fighting elsewhere? Are young Ukrainians in Kyiv or Lviv supposed to spend their nights at home sitting on their hands, potentially for years if the war drags on?

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Sep 5 2022 04:00am

Something else which sounds very troublesome. Selensky reitirated that they want to recapture Crimea at all costs. Russia is never going to give back that Island for known reasons. It's clear by now Washington supports Ukraine under the condition they should retake Crimea so NATO could station their troops next door to Russia. Ukraine itself couldn't care less about Crimea at this point, its people should be more important than an island inhabited by ethnic Russians.

This post was edited by babun1024 on Sep 5 2022 04:06am

I think this rhetoric is more about boosting morale of the troops and keeping the pro-Ukraine residents of the occupied areas on their side. They won't collaborate with Ukraine if they have no hope of ever being liberated from Russian rule.
It might also be in anticipation of eventual peace negotiations. Once the negotiations start, Zelenskyy has more leverage if the Russian side thinks there's a legitimate threat to Crimea. You gotta demand more than your actual price/goals, so that you end up where you want after bargaining and making "concessions".

Its inhabited by ethnic Tatars, ethnic russians are just temporary occupying population.

Not Ukrainians, those tartars speak Russian, the economy there is tied to Russia. A small but important detail not mentioned by any western media:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimea

They didn't want to be part of Ukraine.


Don't see how it is productive. From Russian standpoint it means no negotiations are possible with this government so they'll go for the total subjugation of Ukraine.

This post was edited by babun1024 on Sep 5 2022 04:19am

This doesn't make any sense. Russia made it perfectly clear that as long as they have the power to subjugate Ukraine, that's exactly what they'll do. Negotiations will only happen if Russia is on the back heel, it they have to acknowledge that further conquests are unlikely and that losing captured territory is a real possibility.

Tatars are owners of Crimea, Tatars are Ukrainians
Its that simple, even Erdongan say its the ultimate truth

No need for negotiations, either Ukraine gets back all of its territories or we continue grinding out russkies into ash.

It does make sense. Russia still isn't going all out. Contrary to reports in our media, they try to avoid civilian casualties. Most of the army isn't mobilized for the so called "special operation". You don't want to force their hand with phrases like these.

This post was edited by babun1024 on Sep 5 2022 05:22am

well, i see plenty of able hands there and it kinda doesnt fit the narrative of a total war of destruction against ukraine

also there are hundreds of thousands of ukranians cashing in on the german welfare state

the first panic is over, there is no reason to not go back if there are parties in the capital

Tartars are neither Russian nor Ukrainen, they are ethnic Turks. They've got a long history of service in Russian imperial army that's why every single one of them speaks Russian. Due to the deportation policy of previous years, there is a considerable amount of ethnic Russians. Ukraine forcefully annexed them in 1991 against their will. Russia overlooked the matter because Ukraine and Russia were friendly nations. They started to pay rent fee to Ukraine for their fleet in Sewastopol of which native Crimean population didn't see anything. Most of it went to corrupt Kiev government. Then at some point your new friendly overlord who doesn't like to directly stain their hands with blood, USA, came and wanted to station their own forces in Crimea. The election didn't go their way then we had Maidan alias bringing democracy (repeated so often in middle east, copy paste CIA scheme)
Russia occupied Crimea with 0 resistance and no bloodshed. Your overlords gave you money for one reason though (4 billion dollars to be exact), Sewastopol, so no, instead of building real democracy you procedeeded to do everything to regain Crimea back. Again, that wasn't in Ukrainian people's interests, you can never win a direct confrontation with Russia. Russians then started their diversions at the border, Ukraine sent punitive strikes there and after some years we arrived at the current escalation level. Selensky, a comedian was elected by people to bring peace over Crimea matter. People chose a comedian because they didn't trust the new establishment.

This post was edited by babun1024 on Sep 5 2022 05:19am