Quote (bogie160 @ Mar 31 2021 09:50am)
The context of the situation is that the officers were dealing with an uncooperative, drug addled subject in a tense situation surrounded by a crowd. Floyd had been put in the police vehicle when he freaked out and demanded to be brought outside. Should they have put him back in the car? Allowed the maybe/maybe not off-duty EMT to deliver medical treatment? Wait for the EMTs to arrive on scene? Allow Floyd to stand up? Was Floyd, who was saying "I can't breathe" in the car, already suffering from a heart attack? Does the fact that he was very high provide a convincing explanation for why the officers were less likely to take Floyd seriously?
There are a lot of moving parts. The analysis itt is at the level of "a hold for "x" of minutes is murder" with zero legal explanation or context. How were they trained to deal with that situation? What were the restrictions placed on that particular type of hold? These are key to the question of whether Chauvin has legal responsibility for Floyd's death.
Anyone who is advocating for a particular conviction or sentence at this stage is being hyper-emotional / irresponsible. It will play out in Court, as it should.
This is MPD's training slide on the "Maximal Restraint Technique", referencing the "recovery position".
This is the MPD's training slide on the "recovery position"
Floyd was handcuffed, violently struggled, Floyd was not placed in the recovery position, Floyd was held flat on his stomach for 8+ minutes without being allowed to move to the recovery position.
unless there's something in the videos im not getting right, ive looked at stills this morning but would rather not watch him die again for a jsp debate.
Quote (Thor123422 @ Mar 31 2021 09:58am)
This entire post relies on the officers having no recourse except to be on his neck. When somebody says he can't breathe when he's sitting in a car at the last thing you do is put them on the ground and put your knee on their neck
also this, him being violent and complaining about breathing before he was placed on the ground makes the case worse for Chauvin.
This post was edited by thesnipa on Mar 31 2021 09:16am