Please.. The right only cares about the second amendment and nothing else. That has been proven already.

If someone is crazy they shouldnt have guns. I am all for red flagging someone if there is cause. If they want their gerns they can take a test to prove they are not nuts. Simple.

If you want your freedom you can take a test to prove you're not a moron. simple.

test failed btw

I want ppl to have the freedom to be shot with the gun they are buying.. You passed Brian's test

Not having to justify a reason for an arrest is not the same thing as having to justify a stop.

You assume the big ol scary gov is going to use the law incorrectly?

If a police officer doesn't have to justify (at that time) putting me in handcuffs and putting me in custody it's a real stretch to say he would have to justify (at that time) a routine traffic stop.

for every arrest a cop has to justify the arrest. they have to file a report, they have to take you in and process you. they don't have to explain it because they are going to take you in either way, and you'll know soon enough when you get processed. a routine traffic stop doesn't end inherently in arrest, it doesn't end in processing, and there's no guarantee you are told what you're accused of.

to be clear, i think what you're saying is a big stretch. but i also think that cops have a slew of easy ways to get around the situation altogether and still get the ID if they want it.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Oct 18 2019 10:23am

hypothetical

Cop gives an answer like "you were driving erratic" guy continues to challenge and ask for a 'real' reason. At what point does the guy need to provide ID? Or is it the guy can argue and challenge ad nauseam?

People need to learn to pick their battles. Like why escalate for no reason? What point are you proving? Give the cop the ID and make him feel stupid while he's fumbling afterwards as he can't give you a ticket for anything or make him feel stupid in court. I got two tickets in one stop awhile ago and i went to court for them and the judge berated the cop in front of a crowd and made him feel like an amateur.

Why would anyone have reason to believe the government isn't perfect and moral?

There's a higher legal bar to clear for arresting someone than there is for simply stopping them.

/e that is to say, a cop can stop someone, but he can't simply stop and detain people for no reason. Effecting an arrest however, he HAS reason.

This post was edited by Santara on Oct 18 2019 10:47am