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Mar 18 2019 03:17pm
Quote (inkanddagger @ Mar 18 2019 03:57pm)
American society is left on cultural issues. Sure, there are regressives who want to ban gay marriage, segregate schools, and codify misogyny via policy, but they are a minority. Close to 70% support gay marriage, for example. 60% agree abortion should be legal and close to 80% of non-religious affiliated people say it should be legal.

So they're just representing society in general because it makes marketing sense.

The real war is the class war.


A majority of Americans want abortion restricted, oppose reparations, oppose affirmative action, support the police, and despise political correctness.

The war is between economic illiterates (Bernie, AOC) and fiscally responsible voters.
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Mar 18 2019 03:18pm
Quote (inkanddagger @ Mar 18 2019 01:57pm)
American society is left on cultural issues. Sure, there are regressives who want to ban gay marriage, segregate schools, and codify misogyny via policy, but they are a minority. Close to 70% support gay marriage, for example. 60% agree abortion should be legal and close to 80% of non-religious affiliated people say it should be legal.

So they're just representing society in general because it makes marketing sense.

The real war is the class war.


Socialism widens class differences. However, rather than the class differences being market driven, and thus any given individual being able to move up and down the class ladder with relative ease, both socialism and communism make the class the "ruling class" vs the "ruled class". The government and their supporters are the haves, and everyone else are the have-nots. Everyone who supports socialism and communism is against the individual, and individual rights. ALL of them are extreme far left.

Your little speech regarding American society ignores ACTUAL American society. 76% of Americans, according to Pewresearch, are religious, even your claims are factually wrong. Again, according to pew research, 55% believe it should be legal, 45% believe it should be illegal. 67% of protestant christians in the US believe it should be LEGAL. 40% of WOMEN believe it should be ILLEGAL.

Abortion is all over the map, and glorifying abortion is a great way to LOSE viewership. Again, 45% of Americans believe it should be ILLEGAL. Not just, "Well, I'm not one to dictate what other people do, so I don't like it and wouldn't get one, but others can do what they want" types, but want it BANNED. I have NEVER agreed with getting an abortion. Willingness to get an abortion without a lifethreatening medical concern was ALWAYS a deal breaker for me when dating. However, for the longest time, my opinion was, "Who am I to dictate what others do with their body?" I conveniently ignored that there's another human life involved. Well more than half of those who believe that abortion should be legal believe it so not because they support abortion, but because they believe any laws against abortion are attempts to control other people, rather than save the lives of unborn children.

Regarding Gay Marriage, it's 57% believe it should be legal, 35% believe it should be illegal. Again, according to Pewresearch, who is a validly nonpartisan group. Now, on this subject, I find most of the "it should be illegal" crowd to be perfectly unreasonable. Why should it matter if somebody else marries somebody else? How the fuck is that a concern? Who is being harmed? What IS the harm? The only caveat I find in this is that those people who feel that any participation in gay marriage is a personal moral violation NOT be required to do so. No, churches have no responsibility to conduct gay weddings, no, gay bakers have no responsibility to offer catering services to gay weddings, etc. That is at the heart of the issues in front of the courts right now. Given freedom of association is a clear right, and marriage is NOT a right, but instead a privilege that conveys certain economic advantages, is or should it be legal to COMPEL private businesses to participate in gay weddings?

Personally, if I were being offered money to cater something, or preach, or whatever else, I'd participate in the gay wedding in a heartbeat. I don't give a fuck about any moral implications. However, OVER half the nation wants absolutely nothing to do with the ceremony itself. THAT is the heart of the issue. It's the "sure, you can get married to another chick/dude, but that's YOUR life. Don't involve me." It's a liberty standpoint, NOT a progressive standpoint.

Now, when you tune in to NBC, they're openly advocating abortion, forcing private individuals and even churches to participate in gay weddings, not to mention pushing socialist candidates to the forefront of consideration.

You are never going to convince any American that NBC is a right wing outlet. They're better than their subsidiary, MSNBC, but not by much. Sorry dude, when you take it from a Stalinist perspective, you may be right. When you take it from an American perspective, you yourself are such an extremely far left crazy piece of shit, you are nothing more than a tiny fringe element of American politics.
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Mar 18 2019 03:19pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Mar 18 2019 02:12pm)
It's almost as if he... I dont know... represents a liberal pocket within a deeply conservative state, so that he's best served by a somewhat centrist voting record?


His district is one of the most left wing districts in the entire country, so I reject that opinion as little more than propaganda that "makes sense" to low information voters.
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Mar 18 2019 03:20pm
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A majority of Americans want abortion restricted, oppose reparations, oppose affirmative action, support the police, and despise political correctness.

The war is between economic illiterates (Bernie, AOC) and fiscally responsible voters.


neither side despises their own version of political correctness

they are all for their side

the right is just butthurt they get push back for saying shit that they got away with for a long time

but they still lose their shit over the same stuff they always have
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Mar 18 2019 03:22pm
Quote (inkanddagger @ 18 Mar 2019 22:19)
His district is one of the most left wing districts in the entire country, so I reject that opinion as little more than propaganda that "makes sense" to low information voters.


Not true, his district was D+17, which is faaaar from the most left wing in the entire country. And one can even argue that in Texas, even the democratic-leaning voters are more conservative than in coastal states.

a ton of texas democrats hold views which would qualify them as republicans in california or new york.
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Mar 18 2019 03:24pm
Quote (InsaneBobb @ Mar 18 2019 02:18pm)
Socialism widens class differences. However, rather than the class differences being market driven, and thus any given individual being able to move up and down the class ladder with relative ease, both socialism and communism make the class the "ruling class" vs the "ruled class". The government and their supporters are the haves, and everyone else are the have-nots. Everyone who supports socialism and communism is against the individual, and individual rights. ALL of them are extreme far left.


You seem to have very little understanding of socialism or communism. I can't even have a conversation with you until you unlearn most of your false preconceptions.

https://www.socialism101.com/basic

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Mar 18 2019 03:31pm
Quote (Beowulf @ Mar 18 2019 02:20pm)
neither side despises their own version of political correctness

they are all for their side

the right is just butthurt they get push back for saying shit that they got away with for a long time

but they still lose their shit over the same stuff they always have


which political correctness do I support?
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Mar 18 2019 03:38pm
Quote (inkanddagger @ Mar 18 2019 02:24pm)
You seem to have very little understanding of socialism or communism. I can't even have a conversation with you until you unlearn most of your false preconceptions.

https://www.socialism101.com/basic


My understanding of Socialism is absolutely perfect. Because I am not so young and naive and unacquainted with the real world that I believe any form of pure socialism or communism will work as intended.

Venezuela was not the exception. It was the norm. Socialism doesn't work. You're centralizing all power in the hands of the government. Those who have the power of the government will invariably take ever more of the power and wealth for themselves, while simultaneously disarming and then preventing the speech of anyone who might disagree. Further, because there ARE other far more free market societies in the world, the most skilled and most educated of the professionals in industry will flee to those, because their work is properly rewarded, rather than expected with minimal rewards to maintain the power of the state.

The only true difference between communism and socialism is that communism doesn't actually work if there is a government. The community itself is supposed to be the government. But you can't really develop or maintain any form of social infrastructure WITHOUT government. So, again, EVERY TIME, in communism, the person who can drum up the most support, build the greatest fighting force, will seize control of EVERYTHING. They will then decide how everything is given out. They will almost invariably enforce compelled labor laws, and allow any dissenters to starve, while simultaneously working them 20 hours a day to produce food.

I don't live in your fantasy fairy land, nor do I fail to acknowlege the realities of the world around me. I'm not some piece of shit socialist hippy, to think that even though it has never worked before, "It'll work this time!"

The definition of insanity is trying the same thing over and over, and expecting a different result. You are insane. Sorry about your luck.
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Mar 18 2019 03:40pm
Quote (majorblood @ Mar 18 2019 02:31pm)
which political correctness do I support?


Politically correct surveys
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Mar 18 2019 03:59pm
Quote (InsaneBobb @ Mar 18 2019 01:38pm)
My understanding of Socialism is absolutely perfect. Because I am not so young and naive and unacquainted with the real world that I believe any form of pure socialism or communism will work as intended.

Venezuela was not the exception. It was the norm. Socialism doesn't work. You're centralizing all power in the hands of the government. Those who have the power of the government will invariably take ever more of the power and wealth for themselves, while simultaneously disarming and then preventing the speech of anyone who might disagree. Further, because there ARE other far more free market societies in the world, the most skilled and most educated of the professionals in industry will flee to those, because their work is properly rewarded, rather than expected with minimal rewards to maintain the power of the state.

The only true difference between communism and socialism is that communism doesn't actually work if there is a government. The community itself is supposed to be the government. But you can't really develop or maintain any form of social infrastructure WITHOUT government. So, again, EVERY TIME, in communism, the person who can drum up the most support, build the greatest fighting force, will seize control of EVERYTHING. They will then decide how everything is given out. They will almost invariably enforce compelled labor laws, and allow any dissenters to starve, while simultaneously working them 20 hours a day to produce food.

I don't live in your fantasy fairy land, nor do I fail to acknowlege the realities of the world around me. I'm not some piece of shit socialist hippy, to think that even though it has never worked before, "It'll work this time!"

The definition of insanity is trying the same thing over and over, and expecting a different result. You are insane. Sorry about your luck.


Edit: Nevermind.

This post was edited by Handcuffs on Mar 18 2019 04:11pm
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