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Apr 17 2017 10:43am
Quote (Scaly @ Apr 17 2017 09:25am)
Yea. Fuck experts. Who needs 'em? We should be basing our opinions on the barely coherent rants of some rand on a gaming forum.


You're not hearing me. There are defense experts who I am sure know without a doubt the truth. Experts I trust, media I don't. You think the DoD would want to tell American citizens that a country with a nutso leader could hit us with nukes anytime they feel like it? So yeah forgive me if I don't trust the intel given to the media.

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Apr 17 2017 10:53am
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You're not hearing me. There are defense experts who I am sure know without a doubt the truth. Experts I trust, media I don't. You think the DoD would want to tell American citizens that a country with a nutso leader could hit us with nukes anytime they feel like it? So yeah forgive me if I don't trust the intel given to the media.


Was life that bad for the DoD when american citizens knew the USSR could strike them at any time?
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Apr 17 2017 11:00am
Quote (AspenSniper @ 17 Apr 2017 16:43)
You're not hearing me. There are defense experts who I am sure know without a doubt the truth. Experts I trust, media I don't. You think the DoD would want to tell American citizens that a country with a nutso leader could hit us with nukes anytime they feel like it? So yeah forgive me if I don't trust the intel given to the media.


I totally hear you bro. Everyone who doesn't agree with the conclusions you have reached via this wild speculation is a moron.
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Apr 17 2017 11:08am
Quote (AspenSniper @ Apr 17 2017 08:43am)
You're not hearing me. There are defense experts who I am sure know without a doubt the truth. Experts I trust, media I don't. You think the DoD would want to tell American citizens that a country with a nutso leader could hit us with nukes anytime they feel like it? So yeah forgive me if I don't trust the intel given to the media.


I don't think you understand how difficult it is to develop ICBMs. You're extremely ignorant about the technology involved and you should stop posting about the subject. Otherwise, people are going to flame the fuck out of you.
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Apr 17 2017 11:32am
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I don't think you understand how difficult it is to develop ICBMs. You're extremely ignorant about the technology involved and you should stop posting about the subject. Otherwise, people are going to flame the fuck out of you.


Right. Much better off believing CNN, FoxNews, NBC, BBC, or whatever outlet you get your info from than using common sense. Let's go with the belief of "CNN says they don't have long range missiles" or "experts at the DoD says they don't have long range missiles" and "icbms are difficult to build" over the absolute FACT that 3000+ mile ICBMs were used and tested and proven in the 1940s. Yet you think it's farfetched to believe a country's government in 70 years hasn't been able to expand that distance an ICBM can travel by a little more than double?

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Was life that bad for the DoD when american citizens knew the USSR could strike them at any time?


Are you kidding me? Life was horrible for the DoD through the cold war. The DoD had to increase it's spending budget by TRILLIONS and inflate the national debt to go on an arms race so that the American people felt calm that the government would keep them safe. They got the funding, but it didn't do any favors for the government financially. So yeah I think the DoD and government has a major interest in keeping calm so that Americans don't force them into spending trillions more that we don't have to fund a potential pacific war.

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Apr 17 2017 11:47am
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Right. Much better off believing CNN, FoxNews, NBC, BBC, or whatever outlet you get your info from than using common sense. Let's go with the belief of "CNN says they don't have long range missiles" or "experts at the DoD says they don't have long range missiles" and "icbms are difficult to build" over the absolute FACT that 3000+ mile ICBMs were used and tested and proven in the 1940s. Yet you think it's farfetched to believe a country's government in 70 years hasn't been able to expand that distance an ICBM can travel by a little more than double?



Are you kidding me? Life was horrible for the DoD through the cold war. The DoD had to increase it's spending budget by TRILLIONS and inflate the national debt to go on an arms race so that the American people felt calm that the government would keep them safe. They got the funding, but it didn't do any favors for the government financially. So yeah I think the DoD and government has a major interest in keeping calm so that Americans don't force them into spending trillions more that we don't have to fund a potential pacific war.



Air conditioning has been around since 1900

How come African no AC?!

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Air conditioning has been around since 1900

How come African no AC?!


Stupid analogy. You're comparing the everyday people of Africa to the government of NK. The government/rich of Africa have AC right? They have the power and the money. The rich and the government of NK have power and money and have been spending vast amounts on ICBMs for decades.
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Apr 17 2017 11:51am
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Air conditioning has been around since 1900

How come African no AC?!


Wait, if AC has been around since 1900 and you can double the effectiveness of technology every 70 years, global warming can't be real. What are scientists trying to hide from us?!??!?
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Apr 17 2017 11:57am
Quote (AspenSniper @ Apr 17 2017 12:32pm)
Right. Much better off believing CNN, FoxNews, NBC, BBC, or whatever outlet you get your info from than using common sense. Let's go with the belief of "CNN says they don't have long range missiles" or "experts at the DoD says they don't have long range missiles" and "icbms are difficult to build" over the absolute FACT that 3000+ mile ICBMs were used and tested and proven in the 1940s. Yet you think it's farfetched to believe a country's government in 70 years hasn't been able to expand that distance an ICBM can travel by a little more than double?


Are you kidding me? Life was horrible for the DoD through the cold war. The DoD had to increase it's spending budget by TRILLIONS and inflate the national debt to go on an arms race so that the American people felt calm that the government would keep them safe. They got the funding, but it didn't do any favors for the government financially. So yeah I think the DoD and government has a major interest in keeping calm so that Americans don't force them into spending trillions more that we don't have to fund a potential pacific war.


The mistake you are using with this logic is making the assumption that improvement has to happen over time. There's more factors at play than just building missiles that can travel the distance of thousands of miles, you have to create navigational technology along with it and then you have to account for anti air defense systems that are employed by the Coast Guard/Navy/Air Force and Army all over the globe and on the mainland.

Also the technology involved in rocketry is still fairly primitive largely because there are just realities that can't be bypassed. You can't just change physics to suit your needs. Gravity is real and propulsion is limited due to that fact.

You're just using the same tired shit where most of technology in the world has progressed a great deal that this must mean that this means NK somehow has the ability to bypass the defense systems of the United States.

So since you don't believe mainstream media, another mistake is you automatically assume the worse is actually the culprit? If you don't know what to believe because your feel the information sources you have are not concrete, then you shouldn't act with certainty that North Korea has these capabilities because then you are just making claims that are not backed by anything other than some "feelings".

Also just because Germany had the ability to launch ICBMs in the 40s doesn't mean for sure they were operational. Germany still decided to do most of their air bombing through dropping them out of planes because anti-air defense systems were nowhere near the level of sophistication that they are now today. I mean technology now can detect incoming objects and either launched onto them through a dynamic tracking GPS or through a heat signature and shoot the missile out of the sky. Not to mention drone technology heavily improves this as well too. We can have drones seek out and destroy targets on top of ground defense systems.

We know the capabilities of the US military very easily. You going to base your entire argument on the basis that you think that since Germany had primitive ICBM technology in the 40s and that somehow without not knowing entirely the scope of anything to deal with exactly what NK could have that this means they could penetrate American defenses?

It's just not realistic. I can understand not wanting to believe mainstream media but to then go crazy and assume this must mean NK has the ability to strike American mainland with any certainty is just hysteria.

Some technology is just inherently limited. Rocket propulsion technology is still mostly the same as it was in the 70s and 80s.

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Apr 17 2017 12:07pm
nice bunch of experts, are you also experts in distraction like your Trumpet president ? seems not

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