Quote (Black XistenZ @ 22 Nov 2019 16:51)

No. Balance according to leftist is when the big population centers dictate everything and the rest of the country has no real say in anything. They dont want to have to worry about pesky "flyover country" anymore.

Quote (fender @ 22 Nov 2019 23:10)

not only is that NOT how it would work (reference: rest of the civilised world)

Quote (Black XistenZ @ 22 Nov 2019 17:32)

Of course this is me being hyperbolic to make a point. :rolleyes:
The point being that my characterization is not how things would go technically, but that it is exactly how things would play out from a practical point of view.

The party winning the big metropolitan areas by large enough margins would outvote the rest of the country. Abolishing the EC would definitely shift political sway from rural America towards the big cities. Are you seriously disputing that?

Your point about the perverse incentives the EC is setting (subsidizing dying industries in the Rust Belt) is solid, but you're completely missing the bigger picture. The EC is designed the way it is specifically to empower the smaller states, and to limit the potential influence of strongholds where one party wins by overwhelming margins.




Sidenote: the rest of the civilized world contains Canada, the UK, Australia and New Zealand, which all use a first-past-the-post system as well. Specifically, the recent Canadian parliamentary election yielded a majority of seats for the Liberals, despite the Conservatives winning the popular vote. (The reason being that the Conservatives ran up the score in their stronghold provinces Alberta and Saskatchewan.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Canadian_federal_election

Strange that I havent heard from any left-leaning poster complaining about this instance of popular vote - electoral majority split...

Quote (Goomshill @ Nov 22 2019 11:08pm)

https://thefederalist.com/2019/11/22/elizabeth-warren-lies-to-school-choice-advocate-about-sending-her-son-to-private-school/

Warren hasn't really gotten down this national campaigning thing yet
She gets confronted by a group of school choice activists pushing charter schools for the black community, and they point out how her children are in private schools. She lies directly to their face and says her kids are in public schools. Her son is enrolled in an $18,000 tuition private school, she straight up lied.
Then she tells them about how when she was in MA, she promised teachers at child development centers an 85% raise from child care development bloc grants. And as she explains "You know how much of a raise they got? Zero. Somehow it all went to the state government and never made it down!"
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which is literally her school policy she wants to bring to a national level and end vouchers, promising to send bloc grants to states to fund public schools and absorb all the low income students.
and her best example to champion her policy was to show how when she did it in MA, the bureaucracy ate 100% of the funds and gave the kids absolutely nothing from it.
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:bonk:

Quote (fender @ Nov 22 2019 05:10pm)

it doesn't even matter how often that moronic talking point gets debunked, you keep returning to it.

not only is that NOT how it would work (reference: rest of the civilised world), it'd also mean making policy for tens of millions rather than subsidising dead industries for a couple of thousand swing voters in battleground states. but hey, it would likely not benefit republicunts, so it's bad - long live the tyranny of a minority.

Quote (Skinned @ 23 Nov 2019 05:26)

It takes a lot of mental gymnastics to not see one vote as one vote.

Ironically it is the same dudes who often hate Keynesian economics.

Quote (Skinned @ Nov 22 2019 08:26pm)

It takes a lot of mental gymnastics to not see one vote as one vote.

Ironically it is the same dudes who often hate Keynesian economics.

Quote (Goomshill @ 22 Nov 2019 23:08)

https://thefederalist.com/2019/11/22/elizabeth-warren-lies-to-school-choice-advocate-about-sending-her-son-to-private-school/

Warren hasn't really gotten down this national campaigning thing yet
She gets confronted by a group of school choice activists pushing charter schools for the black community, and they point out how her children are in private schools. She lies directly to their face and says her kids are in public schools. Her son is enrolled in an $18,000 tuition private school, she straight up lied.
Then she tells them about how when she was in MA, she promised teachers at child development centers an 85% raise from child care development bloc grants. And as she explains "You know how much of a raise they got? Zero. Somehow it all went to the state government and never made it down!"
....
which is literally her school policy she wants to bring to a national level and end vouchers, promising to send bloc grants to states to fund public schools and absorb all the low income students.
and her best example to champion her policy was to show how when she did it in MA, the bureaucracy ate 100% of the funds and gave the kids absolutely nothing from it.
...

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:bonk:

Quote (Testiclese @ 23 Nov 2019 19:01)

I mean, with the EC one vote is not one vote. Individual votes in small states carry more weight, it's simple mathematics.

Now, whether or not that is WRONG is another question. But my friend Nick's vote for president counts for more than mine--I live in California, and he lives in Alaska.