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May 3 2018 07:04am
Quote (EndlessSky @ May 2 2018 11:00pm)
Trump can say "I dont remember" to all of Muellers questions

Mueller is desperate


Why would he say that though? He hasn't done anything wrong, might as well be honest if he can remember the content.

Yes, it's very desperate for the special prosecutor to interview the top target of the investigation. Good point. :rolleyes:
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Why would he say that though? He hasn't done anything wrong, might as well be honest if he can remember the content.

Yes, it's very desperate for the special prosecutor to interview the top target of the investigation. Good point. :rolleyes:


Mostly because a perjury trap doesnt require a crime. Mueller can say “hah you spoke to Kushner on tuesday instead of thursday. U lied to FBI. PWN3D NUB.
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Yes, it's very desperate for the special prosecutor to interview the top target of the investigation.

Mueller told Trump hinself that he’s not the target of the criminal investigation, but merely a subject.

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Target” is a specific legal term; it refers to someone who investigators believe committed a crime and whom they are likely planning to bring charges against. Calling Trump a “subject” of the investigation, however, means that Mueller is looking into Trump’s conduct for evidence of a crime but has no plans to bring charges imminently.


I kNoW tHe TrUtH dOeSnT mAtTeR tO tHe CuLtIStS tHo

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Mueller told Trump hinself that he’s not the target of the criminal investigation, but merely a subject.



I kNoW tHe TrUtH dOeSnT mAtTeR tO tHe CuLtIStS tHo


You're right, Donald Trump isn't the subject of an investigation. The Donald Trump campaign, transition team, and now regime are under investigation. Making the point moot.

but it doesn't matter, those are judicial requirements for obstruction, which lying to the FBI doesn't require.

endless is correct tho, Trump can just say "i dont recall" to almost every question, especially the ones Mueller is using to try and set up mens rea.
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May 3 2018 09:49am
Quote (IgoSoHard @ May 3 2018 09:08am)
Mueller told Trump hinself that he’s not the target of the criminal investigation, but merely a subject.



I kNoW tHe TrUtH dOeSnT mAtTeR tO tHe CuLtIStS tHo


My point still applies.
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May 3 2018 10:13am
http://time.com/5264153/the-fbi-is-in-crisis-and-america-is-paying-the-price/

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The Justice Department’s Inspector General, Michael Horowitz, will soon release a much-anticipated assessment of Democratic and Republican charges that officials at the FBI interfered in the 2016 presidential campaign. That year-long probe, sources familiar with it tell TIME, is expected to come down particularly hard on former FBI director James Comey, who is currently on a high-profile book tour. It will likely find that Comey breached Justice Department protocols in a July 5, 2016, press conference when he criticized Hillary Clinton for using a private email server as Secretary of State even as he cleared her of any crimes, the sources say. The report is expected to also hit Comey for the way he reopened the Clinton email probe less than two weeks before the election, the sources say.

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The FBI’s crisis of credibility appears to have seeped into the jury room. The number of convictions in FBI-led investigations has declined in each of the last five years, dropping nearly 11% over that period, according to a TIME analysis of data obtained from the Justice Department by researchers at Syracuse University. “We’ve already seen where the bad guys and witnesses look at those FBI credentials, and it might not carry the same weight anymore,” says O’Connor.

Some legal experts and defense advocates see the string of recent not guilty verdicts as a sign that jurors and judges are less inclined to take what the FBI says in court at face value. Data examined by TIME support that conclusion. The number of convictions in FBI-led investigations dropped last year for the fifth consecutive year–from 11,461 in 2012 to 10,232, according to Syracuse University data, which was obtained under Freedom of Information Act requests.

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Mueller may play an outsize role in how his old agency gets through the current crisis. If the special counsel finds that Russia did collude with members of the Trump campaign–the central question in his investigation–and any perpetrators are charged and found guilty in court, it would rebut Trump’s charges of a “witch hunt.” If Mueller finds no evidence of collusion, or declines to make it public, it would open the door for Trump and his campaign to paint the FBI as a band of partisan hacks with a reputation, as he has tweeted, “in tatters.”

There may be no immediate way to fix a place with as many missions and masters as the FBI. One official, asked what it would take for the FBI to move past all the controversy, paused and said simply, “Time.” Many hope that the extraordinary confluence of events that drew the FBI into the 2016 election will prove to be, as Comey called it, “a 500-year flood” that won’t repeat itself anytime soon.

Others are doubtful. Jeffrey Danik, a retired FBI agent in Florida who now works with whistle-blowers at the bureau, blames the state of affairs on “a severe lack of leadership” and transparency at headquarters in owning up to recent mistakes. Those damaging failures, he says, “have just about pushed our incredible organization over the brink.” For now, everyone inside and out who cares about the reliability of law enforcement in America is left hoping that the bureau has at least started on the road back.


Pretty good article detailing the numerous events leading to loss of credibility at the FBI and broken leadership and fallout that is ensuing
For an organization that was headed by two leakers and political actors at its head, with bungled jobs on the steele dossier, larry nasser, bundy standoff, parkland, clinton email, iphone unlocking, patriot act abuse, fisa-702 abuse, polygraph clearances, gun background checks for dylann roof, omar mateen, the actual direct tipoff they had on the boston bombers, the prosecution of noor salman, strzok and page and most of all the repeated leaking up and down the ranks, especially last winter- with all of that together the FBI can't lay the blame at its critics for diminishing their credibility. They have done that themselves
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May 3 2018 10:34am
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http://time.com/5264153/the-fbi-is-in-crisis-and-america-is-paying-the-price/



Pretty good article detailing the numerous events leading to loss of credibility at the FBI and broken leadership and fallout that is ensuing
For an organization that was headed by two leakers and political actors at its head, with bungled jobs on the steele dossier, larry nasser, bundy standoff, parkland, clinton email, iphone unlocking, patriot act abuse, fisa-702 abuse, polygraph clearances, gun background checks for dylann roof, omar mateen, the actual direct tipoff they had on the boston bombers, the prosecution of noor salman, strzok and page and most of all the repeated leaking up and down the ranks, especially last winter- with all of that together the FBI can't lay the blame at its critics for diminishing their credibility. They have done that themselves


the FBI didn't lose its credability, the internet happened and we all found out they aren't credible.

this is another case of you blaming humans for something technology exposed, that humans did all along.

feel free to make a longwinded case about how historically the FBI has had an untarnished reputation. the truth is every time we declassify documents we realize the FBI blows, it just usually comes 20 years later rather than the next day from Assange.

This post was edited by thesnipa on May 3 2018 10:36am
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the FBI didn't lose its credability, the internet happened and we all found out they aren't credible.

this is another case of you blaming humans for something technology exposed, that humans did all along.

feel free to make a longwinded case about how historically the FBI has had an untarnished reputation. the truth is every time we declassify documents we realize the FBI blows, it just usually comes 20 years later rather than the next day from Assange.


I don't remember anyone talking about the FBI's credibility or reputation before the 2016 campaign. Now Trump cultists are talking about it because they want to undermine the legitimate investigations going on.

The author isn't a Trump cultist of course, and he has legitimate points, but nobody on the Trump side(including goom) are approaching this fairly.

Also, the result of the Mueller investigation is almost irrelevant, shills will continue shilling. Truth is whatever helps the dear leader.

But yes, inb4 tl;dr goom lol

This post was edited by IceMage on May 3 2018 11:04am
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I don't remember anyone talking about the FBI's credibility or reputation before the 2016 campaign. Now Trump cultists are talking about it because they want to undermine the legitimate investigations going on.

The author isn't a Trump cultist of course, and he has legitimate points, but nobody on the Trump side(including goom) are approaching this fairly.

Also, the result of the Mueller investigation is almost irrelevant, shills will continue shilling. Truth is whatever helps the dear leader.

But yes, inb4 tl;dr goom lol


I read this article and it sums it up well.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-05-17/fbi-james-comey-trump-with-great-power-comes-great-scandal/8533382

some good excerpts:

on the most prominent FBI head ever:
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Most notably, FBI director J Edgar Hoover (1924-1972) worked to satisfy the political interests of some presidents and secretly undermine others.

Since his death in 1972 and revelations of abuses, the US government has treated the FBI director as independent from the White House.


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Over time, Hoover's FBI also became notorious for its political intelligence gathering, obscenity investigations, secret files and targeting of African-Americans, gays, war protesters and leftists.


the roarin 20s:
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A Bruce Bielaski was head of the bureau at the time. He was a former subordinate of Finch, a lawyer, son of a minister and member of the Justice Department baseball team.

During his tenure, Congress investigated mass federal enforcement of the Selective Service Act.

The FBI rounded up and illegally detained Americans until those who were detained could prove they had registered for the draft. Ultimately, Bielaski was forced to resign in February 1919 for his handling of the raids


Government and oil, a familiar tale:
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President Warren Harding's financially strapped interior secretary, Albert Fall, had allowed oil companies to tap US Navy emergency oil reserves in Teapot Dome, Wyoming, in return for kickbacks.



there's been scandals every decade or so, we just had to wait until they were declassified or it was broken. at which time it would be a massive story, but now we get so many of them they have less effect. the improprieties have always been there.
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May 3 2018 11:21am
don't forget comey is probably responsible of trump elections.
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