I already accepted that jesus is a symbol for enlightenment(similar to buddha), and the stories have been manipulated by priests who wanted to make christianity the way they wanted to, while doing the devils work by killing the christians that werent pro church establishment, burned all the books that didnt fit to their ideals and modified the texts. Christianity is there because the founders did satans work. Hence the whole institution is based on evil rather than good.

So no, i dont accept that some old stories edited hundreds of years later by some power hungry satanic priests are telling the truth.

The first thing you read in The Bible is God creating the Universe in 6 days and resting on the 7th day. He spoke and it was so. He said "Let there be light" then there was light.

You should read this as well: https://www.gotquestions.org/miracles-literal.html

The miracles prove God's glory and power and that he is not like anyone else.

Frodo is right as well. The Bible was written by 40 men in 3 languages over a 1,500 year period. Many of them did not have access to each other's writings yet it all fits perfectly together as if it were written by one person, because it was inspired by God.



Let's twist the words that you just said back to its original form shall we? You say believe in the bible or you will go to hell, God says you are already going to hell but he can save you if you put your trust in him. You do not trust him so how can he save you if you do not want to be saved?

Oh and we all know that if the foundation of a story or a relationship is based on lies then eventually it will all come crashing down. If I lie and hide, eventually it will all come into the open and it won't last. Yet if the foundation is based on truth and righteousness then the story or relationship will last as long as the pyramids that have stood the test of time.

The Christian relationship with God has been going on for well over 2000 years. There is no way that if the foundation were based on a lie that Christianity would be going on for this long. The ideals and beliefs are definitely not something to be ignored or scoffed at. Remember the story of the Good Samaritan and how Paul tells you to put away the things that are evil and instead put on the things that are righteous.

No, the 'miracles' prove nothing other than that they're written in your bible.

You kidding me? Your bible is full of inconsistencies... I'd expect this level of cognitive dissonance from frodo, but do you really have to con yourself like this?

Fixed that for you there bud.

I know you're in denial, but among the majority of the population of the Western world, where religion's power has been declining for decades, your 'truth' has already come crashing down... It's a shame you can't spread it by sword anymore, isn't it?

I see what this is about. You think that just because you are unable to do something so therefore nobody else could possibly do that thing. Just because you can't walk on water so therefore God almighty can't walk on water. You can't heal by touch so therefore God can't heal by touch.

You are making God in your own image and limiting his power based on your own. That's not what I do, I go by what he can do based on the power that he has revealed to us through his son.

Would you dare list the inconsistencies or are you afraid to have them explained to you?



I've already told you the part about child indoctrination, how we actively study and question what The Bible says then an explanation comes up. What if God was all powerful and he was able to do whatever power he wanted? What if he could turn water into wine or feed 5000 men?

What if God wasn't controlling because he let us have free will to choose to obey or disobey him? What if we were already being damned to eternal punishment but he has provided a way out for us? Yet God demonstrates his love for us in that while we were still sinners and in complete and utter rebellion to him, Christ died for us. You know that thing you are doing now? Imagine him dying for you even while you were shouting insults. Heck back then the people murdered him by nailing him to a cross.

Imagine for a moment that you deserved that death but he took the punishment for you.

And how do you know about god and his power? Your bible - which relies on your god's power to be true. Circular reasoning, you see?



Lol, no good trying to guilt trip me. Any god who creates his subjects sick and orders them to be well under pain of, not death, but eternal suffering...just doesn't strike me as the kind of being I'd want to spend eternity mindlessly praising.

Now you have the choice to believe what people, who were way less educated than you are let’s face it, said 2000 years ago or to make up your own mind thinking with YOUR BRAIN!! Does it make sense? No unless god exist and can do magic.. If that’s the only answer then you sir are totally brainwash and there’s no going back.

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I have Moses and the prophets. Not only do I have Moses and the prophets but I also have personal experiences about God's power. I have also seen experiences unfold with other people. God was active back then and he is active now. That is how I know.

I look at what is written in The Bible and whenever it has a claim I then go out and investigate that claim in the real world. That claim is validated. Because I went out on my own accord to investigate and challenged what was said, the answer that came up had to be enough for the thought process and logic.

That has been happening for the last 2000 years. Remember that some of the smartest people that you know are Christians. Remember that link I posted awhile back.

What do you think is wrong with the world then? If you read through Genesis you will see what God thinks is wrong with the world. What happens if you think what is wrong with the world is the same thing that what God thinks is wrong with the world?

If you diagnose the wrong problem then you won't see the real problem with the world. In turn you will see the real consequence and you will offer the wrong solution.

So I must ask you again what you think is wrong with the world? Then offer up what your solution would be.



Exactly, we have the choice because God gave it to us. I see that people are under the illusion that God puts an ultimatum to 'believe or perish.' These people have no idea what the character of God is like because they have never gone out to investigate and read The Bible. They think they know more when they are ignorant, not having read all of The Bible or gone out to investigate what it has said.

Now, let's look at one thing what The Bible says and tell me if you agree or disagree with this text:

5 Put to death, therefore, whatever belongs to your earthly nature: sexual immorality, impurity, lust, evil desires and greed, which is idolatry.

12 Therefore, as God’s chosen people, holy and dearly loved, clothe yourselves with compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience.

Do you agree that you should put to death: sexual immorality, impurity, lust, evil desires and greed? Why?
Do you agree that you should clothe yourself with: compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience? Why?

why should you die to go to heaven?
the earth is already in space, the bible I embrace

Yes I already have.