I know you're not particularly self-aware, so I'll just let you know. You care about this. You care a lot. You care enough to follow it specifically through its whole run and get mad when your thread gets derailed.

Which specific charges did they cast extreme doubt on, and what specific section of the law did they bring into doubt that lets him be acquitted?

For instance, here's second degree manslaughter



IMO this one is a slam dunk. Chauvin created an unreasonable risk he knew could cause death or great bodily harm to Floyd. His own supervisor testified to that effect.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Apr 19 2021 09:50pm

Basically all the liberals here are to some degree, true.

I'm going to throw this one right back at you: Since you lack self-awareness, my thread is about related riots, which I am very interested in, and already stated I'm interested in. Your attempts to derail threads about this case and the riots associated only exist because you personally very deeply care about how the verdict goes, and believe if it doesn't go how you want then other people should suffer and die as a direct result.

Based on the evidence and the testimony (especially under cross), the ultimate "cause of death" is still under extreme doubt. Given complete lack of injury associated with chest compression or strangulation, yet the fatal levels of fentanyl + methamphetamines in Floyd's system, it's very VERY easy to conclude that Floyd did not die due to any police-related activity at all. It's also irrefutable that he was complaining he couldn't breath prior to being on the ground, that in fact he demanded to NOT be put on the cruiser, complaining he couldn't breath, kicked the officers, and demanded to be put on the ground. So, he was actively resisting arrest, demanding to be put on the ground, and assaulting officers. According to the official training materials, the prone position was the State-Approved method of detaining Floyd until EMTs could arrive.

Now, given the officers used the State-Approved detainment methods appropriate for the scene, that actually rules out negligence. It also rules out Murder 3, as Murder 3 requires that a felony be being carried out in the course of the death, where in this case it would appear that the officer was simply doing their state-mandated duty.

And here's the real shit kicker: The prosecution FAILED to disperse the doubts that I just raised. Their own witnesses verified these details under cross examination. If this officer were black, and Floyd were white, my post would still be identical. The only reason this is even a "thing" is entirely based around racial politics. So much for blind justice.

This post was edited by InsaneBobb on Apr 19 2021 10:03pm

You can only say that once the jury delivers a not-guilty verdict on all 3 charges. Until then, you are just wildly speculating.

The only reason you care about the riots is because you want to see more black people killed by police.

You'd have to be pretty daft to not at least acknowledge Chauvin contributed to Floyd's demise, and actively prevented the other officers from administering proper care.

The idea that "It was the drugs that killed him" is an affirmative defense has been debunked for you like a dozen times now. You don't get to shoot somebody who is overdosing and say "well, they were gonna die anyway". You don't get to actively make their overdose worse and prevent others from helping and then get off because "he died from drugs".

There's a reason the prosecution didn't spend a ton of time on it, and it's because it is irrelevant. You seem to be the only one who doesn't understand that.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Apr 19 2021 10:08pm

No, I can reasonably form my own opinion regarding whether or not the prosecution proved beyond reasonable doubt. This was a televised trial. I watched witness testimony and cross examination and viewed a large portion of the evidence myself.

My opinion regarding the burden of proof has absolutely nothing to do with the verdict. However, given the politicization of the case, and the threats of riots should he not be convicted, threats against jurors should he not be convicted, and the direct incitement to riot by Maxine Waters should he not be convicted of Murder 1 (which he's not even charged with?) there's huge pressure to convict regardless of evidence. Hence why, as I said here:



Regarding your identity politics nonsense, once again, you're projecting.



I have seen no evidence to come to such a conclusion. Based on the evidence I have seen, it's very likely Floyd would be dead either way.

There is only one argument that could possibly be made to that effect, and that is, "If Chauvin had simply let Floyd go when Floyd refused to enter the cruiser, would Floyd have died?" And the evidence based on the toxicology report, condition of his heart and arteries, and clearly overdosed state is still a relatively certain "yes". The argument that the stress of the situation is what did him in is simply a terrible argument all around. If the stress of being arrested is enough to kill you, don't commit crimes. It's not the police's job to worry about your stress levels. It's the duty of the police to enforce the law, part of which revolves around arresting those alleged to have violated said law.

This post was edited by InsaneBobb on Apr 19 2021 10:21pm

So you're saying that the ONLY reason Chauvin could be convicted is because the jury is pressured by external forces? In a vacuum, there's absolutely zero chance they could convict. Is that your position?

No. Jurors all have opinions and see different things. However, in a vacuum, based on all the testimony, evidence, and cross examination provided, the likelihood of a conviction would be incredibly low.

Once again, paint the exact same scenario, but make Floyd white, and Chauvin black. Would this have ever gone to trial in the first place?

Here, let's start small then.

Do you think Chauvin, by being on his neck or by refusing to allow him to be turned to the recovery position, hastened, delayed, or had no effect on how quickly Floyd died?

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Apr 19 2021 10:42pm

Based on the shoulder cam footage, under cross examination it was admitted that Chauvin's knee was primarily on the shoulder, not the neck. Based on the original footage we all saw the day of, Floyd could lift his head and adjust for "comfort" and was clearly able to both breath and speak.

The prosecution did not prove one way or another that there was any impact at all of Floyd being held in the prone position, regarding the timing of his death.

Once again, the defense does not have to prove innocence. It is the duty of the prosecution to prove guilt beyond reasonable doubt. I have reasonable doubt regarding your question, based on all evidence and testimony provided in the trial.