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Nov 23 2019 01:10am
Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Nov 23 2019 01:03am)
We are in impeachment topic, for foreign policy, especially Trump foreign policy... Well you can make a dedicated topic on all the great things he did...


gee saucy, perhaps you'd like to elaborate on the basis of what allegation are the democrats impeaching Trump
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Quote (Goomshill @ 23 Nov 2019 08:10)
gee saucy, perhaps you'd like to elaborate on the basis of what allegation are the democrats impeaching Trump


Seems it's bribery.
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Quote (Goomshill @ Nov 22 2019 10:54pm)
you're saying that because I don't subscribe to the neoliberal narrative I must support the Russian annexation of Crimea and oppose Ukrainian independence from Russia
which is just more of that sith-deal-in-absolutes logic

I said the same things during the Afghanistan and Iraq wars, did you? What makes jingoistic American imperialism okay this time around, is it because its anti-Trump?



I did
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Quote (inkanddagger @ Nov 23 2019 03:12am)
I did


I'll add it to the long list of "Its okay when democrats do it", then
Gotta crawl over that pile of 400,000 bodies racked up in Syria
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Nov 23 2019 07:36am
https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/22/politics/nunes-vienna-trip-ukrainian-prosecutor-biden/index.html

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(CNN)A lawyer for an indicted associate of Rudy Giuliani tells CNN that his client is willing to tell Congress about meetings the top Republican on the House Intelligence Committee had in Vienna last year with a former Ukrainian prosecutor to discuss digging up dirt on Joe Biden.

The attorney, Joseph A. Bondy, represents Lev Parnas, the recently indicted Soviet-born American who worked with Giuliani to push claims of Democratic corruption in Ukraine. Bondy said that Parnas was told directly by the former Ukrainian official that he met last year in Vienna with Rep. Devin Nunes.

"Mr. Parnas learned from former Ukrainian Prosecutor General Victor Shokin that Nunes had met with Shokin in Vienna last December," said Bondy.

Shokin was ousted from his position in 2016 after pressure from Western leaders, including then-vice president Biden, over concerns that Shokin was not pursuing corruption cases.

Nunes is one of President Donald Trump's key allies in Congress and has emerged as a staunch defender of the President during the impeachment inquiry, which he has frequently labeled as a "circus." Nunes declined repeated requests for comment.

Bondy tells CNN that his client and Nunes began communicating around the time of the Vienna trip. Parnas says he worked to put Nunes in touch with Ukrainians who could help Nunes dig up dirt on Biden and Democrats in Ukraine, according to Bondy.

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"Nunes had told Shokin of the urgent need to launch investigations into Burisma, Joe and Hunter Biden, and any purported Ukrainian interference in the 2016 election," Bondy told CNN.


Unbelievable. You have to wonder how much Nunes has been communicating with Trump, Mulvaney, Guiliani, etc.


Quote (bogie160 @ Nov 22 2019 10:42pm)
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/impeachment-polls/

Well this doesn't look good. I was reading CNN coverage today and it seemed like impeachment was a slam dunk case.


Since when was the truth determined by popular vote? It's two separate issues. Although those polls do show that the majority of Americans support impeaching and removing.

Like I said, a nation that elects Donald Trump is a nation that tolerates his corruption and abuse of power. The American populace is too stupid and lazy to follow this and understand the implications. I can only imagine how unhinged Trump will become if he wins a second term, because Republicans are basically giving him a free pass to abuse his office however he wants.

This post was edited by IceMage on Nov 23 2019 07:38am
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Nov 23 2019 08:09am
Quote (inkanddagger @ Nov 23 2019 01:43am)
tl;dr you support the annexation of Crimea and oppose Ukrainian independence from Russia, because the Republicans you support feel the same way.



Lol

>Knows puppet regime changes were our modus operandi for half a century

>No, no this isn’t that!
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Nov 23 2019 08:41am
I don't know if democrats have the possibility to subpoena new witnesses once the trial starts, in senate.
Like Pompeo, Bolton, Giuliani etc... ? Seems there's some kind of "witnesses negociation" phase ?

I think it's an important point , especially with ultra-populists like Nunes, who are openly trying to fool their people with conspiracy theories. Dramatic. Sad.
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Nov 23 2019 08:56am
Watched the full Hill&Holmes hearings today.

Dr. Hill was incredibly impressive imo. Nonpartisan, concise, exteremely clear. Everything you'd want of someone in her position.

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Nov 23 2019 10:08am
Quote (Plaguefear @ 23 Nov 2019 03:28)
Lucky trump always dodges saying anything under oath, he would lie in his first sentence.


Quote (Plaguefear @ 23 Nov 2019 03:41)
Any oath is a perjury trap for trump, lying is part of his personality, ask him his net worth.


Lol!

As much as I would like to disagree... I just cant. If Trump ever had to testiy under oath, he'd end up on the electric chair...
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Nov 23 2019 10:13am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Nov 23 2019 11:08am)
Lol!

As much as I would like to disagree... I just cant. If Trump ever had to testiy under oath, he'd end up on the electric chair...


He’s probably bribed public officials at least 20 times in his life.
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